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This guy just grates on my nerves!! I would have rather seen just about anyone besides him win the Tournament. I think alot of my dislike still stems from last years incident with Ben Crane, the guy comes across as classless and quick tempered. Maybe I am alone in this school of thought but he is no gentleman and seems like a pretty poor sport. I have heard from a few guys that played on the smaller Tours with him that he is quite an arse hole in person. I have my flame retardant suit on so flame away!!
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2006, 07:19:40 AM » |
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Sorry Jake, but no argument here. I don't even know the guy but have similiar feelings.
The only good thing, well not good but kind of funny, was hearing Curtis Strange announce last year when the Ben Crane thing happened. I'd always heard that Curtis had a temper when he was younger but it was hard to imagine a sweet old guy like him being angry. But he was livid when it happened saying that if Rory did that to him, that he (Strange) may miss his approach but he'd definitely knock him in that water with his shot and if he missed he'd walk up there all calm and push Sabatinni in it.
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2006, 07:42:24 AM » |
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I am not a Rory fan either, and there were other ways to do what he did that would have been more PC. However, the good thing is what he did is remembered, and if it makes the speed of play pick up it was worth it.
Something needs to be done about the pace of play on the PGA Tour. There is no excuse for a round of golf to take 4 1/2 - 5 hours in threesomes when somene is spotting your ball for you, most the time you are on the fairway and the green, and you have such a detailed yardage book, it's marked for every blade of grass..... It's tiring to watch golf take that darn long.
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2006, 09:43:03 AM » |
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Rory Sabatini boils my blood. Watching him chew gum  , for whatever reason, drives me nuts. I also don't like the whole Razor Ramon from the old WWF macheezmo hair thing he's got going.
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2006, 10:11:40 AM » |
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Rory did what every other pga player wanted to do last year to Ben. He walked away from a player that stood over his ball like he was paralyzed for minutes at a time. It is excruciatingly painful to watch Ben Crane play golf and many PGA players actually thanked Rory for what he did after it happened. When 1 player in the group is slow they all get put on the clock and His group was on the clock all day. It is a $20,000 fine for 10 clock violations.
OK, so maybe you shouldn't leave your playing partner and stroll onto the next hole. But anyone who has suffered through 5½-hour rounds at the local muni on a Saturday can certainly sympathize with being stuck with the notoriously slow Crane.
It didn't help that Sabbatini had already been paired with Crane on Thursday and Friday, then found himself in the group behind him Saturday. This is a guy who, in Las Vegas a few years ago, actually pulled out his yardage book and studied the contours sketched in it before putting.
''I need to work on picking it up,'' Crane admitted.
He does, and he's not alone. The tour is full of players who aren't much quicker. And, if walking off on your playing partner is a breach of etiquette, playing at a snail's pace is even worse.
Look at the USGA rulebook and there's almost an entire page devoted to the proper pace of play. ''Play at a good pace and keep up,'' one blue headline reads. ''Be ready to play,'' says another.
''At the end of the day, slow play is the bane of the game,'' USGA executive director David Fay said.
Ultimately, the responsibility for slow play rests with the PGA Tour, which talks a good game but seldom does anything about it. Players are put on the clock and warned if they get behind, with the vague threat of a possible fine if they do it too much.
But, as Allem once said, that's like a highway patrolman pulling a car over for doing 100 mph and telling the driver he'll be watching him the next three miles and give him a ticket if he does it again.
Want to get tough with players? Start passing out two-stroke penalties every time a group falls too far behind. Make them finish under a certain time or add a stroke to their score for every 15 minutes they go over.
The trickle-down effect would be immediate. Players would stop reading putts from 14 different directions, stop taking repeated practice swings, and stop throwing grass in the air to see if the wind has changed in the last 10 seconds.
Even better for golf, the guys in the foursome in front of you at your favorite course might stop doing the same things.
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2006, 10:18:36 AM » |
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I don't like him either. I am not especially fond of Crane. But Rory, baby, there is a right way and a wrong way - period.
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2006, 10:24:33 AM » |
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All I know is Rory took names and kicked some arsh last weekend. He Wore a Elvis belt and carried his kids around after winning on a very tough track.  No one would have watched the final round if Ben Crane was leading  All Hail Rory  
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I for one like Rory, after he walked away from Ben Crane I think I liked him even more because Crane took up half the time on the Sunday when he won just standing over the ball... I'm glad he's been playing good and DID YOU SEE HIS PANTS IN THE FINAL ROUND!? The redish brownish blackish pladish pants... dude if I won a tournament wearing those things...  -Lucky7
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2006, 11:51:54 AM » |
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Rory did what every other pga player wanted to do last year to Ben. He walked away from a player that stood over his ball like he was paralyzed for minutes at a time. It is excruciatingly painful to watch Ben Crane play golf and many PGA players actually thanked Rory for what he did after it happened. When 1 player in the group is slow they all get put on the clock and His group was on the clock all day. It is a $20,000 fine for 10 clock violations.
OK, so maybe you shouldn't leave your playing partner and stroll onto the next hole. But anyone who has suffered through 5½-hour rounds at the local muni on a Saturday can certainly sympathize with being stuck with the notoriously slow Crane.
It didn't help that Sabbatini had already been paired with Crane on Thursday and Friday, then found himself in the group behind him Saturday. This is a guy who, in Las Vegas a few years ago, actually pulled out his yardage book and studied the contours sketched in it before putting.
''I need to work on picking it up,'' Crane admitted.
He does, and he's not alone. The tour is full of players who aren't much quicker. And, if walking off on your playing partner is a breach of etiquette, playing at a snail's pace is even worse.
Look at the USGA rulebook and there's almost an entire page devoted to the proper pace of play. ''Play at a good pace and keep up,'' one blue headline reads. ''Be ready to play,'' says another.
''At the end of the day, slow play is the bane of the game,'' USGA executive director David Fay said.
Ultimately, the responsibility for slow play rests with the PGA Tour, which talks a good game but seldom does anything about it. Players are put on the clock and warned if they get behind, with the vague threat of a possible fine if they do it too much.
But, as Allem once said, that's like a highway patrolman pulling a car over for doing 100 mph and telling the driver he'll be watching him the next three miles and give him a ticket if he does it again.
Want to get tough with players? Start passing out two-stroke penalties every time a group falls too far behind. Make them finish under a certain time or add a stroke to their score for every 15 minutes they go over.
The trickle-down effect would be immediate. Players would stop reading putts from 14 different directions, stop taking repeated practice swings, and stop throwing grass in the air to see if the wind has changed in the last 10 seconds.
Even better for golf, the guys in the foursome in front of you at your favorite course might stop doing the same things.
I agree with the above quote. I don't either like or dislike Rory but I was glad that he did something that many PGA touring professional would love to, make a "statement" to slowpokes to speed up the play. As I recalled, at that fiasco, Rory already was close to his 10th bad timing and none of them was his fault so I can't blame him for not wanting to be fined for his 10th offense. What Rory did yesterday was very impressive, hanging in there in front of rancous pro-Couples crowd and not folding in or losing his cool to the crowd. I still don't understand why Curtis or Zinger would turn against Rory even though majority of players was glad that Rory did something even though he went over the line with his walking off on Crane. Give Crane some credit for starting to speed his play up recently.
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Well, I can understand his anger with Crane's slow play, but I don't think that was the way to handle it. Although, after watching Crane play in person, I side with him a little more. 
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2006, 12:06:44 PM » |
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We need players like Sabbatini on the tour. Golf has changed quite a bit these days and its refreshing to me to see someone who will openly act like an ass, just to shake things up.
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2006, 12:09:16 PM » |
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We need players like Sabbatini on the tour. Golf has changed quite a bit these days and its refreshing to me to see someone who will openly act like an ass, just to shake things up.
Golf is a game that is steeped in tradition and gentlemanly like behavior....not a place for the WWF refugees.
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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2006, 12:11:48 PM » |
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We need players like Sabbatini on the tour. Golf has changed quite a bit these days and its refreshing to me to see someone who will openly act like an ass, just to shake things up.
Golf is a game that is steeped in tradition and gentlemanly like behavior....not a place for the WWF refugees. Thats WWE 
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2006, 12:17:46 PM » |
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We need players like Sabbatini on the tour. Golf has changed quite a bit these days and its refreshing to me to see someone who will openly act like an ass, just to shake things up.
Golf is a game that is steeped in tradition and gentlemanly like behavior....not a place for the WWF refugees. Thats WWE  LOL! Well, maybe so....I am not a wrasslin' fan!! 
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2006, 01:48:29 PM » |
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We need players like Sabbatini on the tour. Golf has changed quite a bit these days and its refreshing to me to see someone who will openly act like an ass, just to shake things up.
Golf is a game that is steeped in tradition and gentlemanly like behavior....not a place for the WWF refugees. Thats WWE  LOL! Well, maybe so....I am not a wrasslin' fan!!  I agree with jake there is no reason to have World Wildlife Foundation refugees! There is no need for the greenies on the golf course  Really though, I am not a huge fan of Sabbatini, it is mainly because of his deameanor not what he did to Crane. I actually liked that he took some action, what else are you going to do in that situation? There is nothing to do but start playing ahead, I have done it a time or two before 
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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2006, 02:00:57 PM » |
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I for one like Rory, after he walked away from Ben Crane I think I liked him even more because Crane took up half the time on the Sunday when he won just standing over the ball... I'm glad he's been playing good and DID YOU SEE HIS PANTS IN THE FINAL ROUND!? The redish brownish blackish pladish pants... dude if I won a tournament wearing those things...  -Lucky7 oohhh....Herroo Carll Wove.....whar aw you doon herrre. I love that movie I laughed my arse off. That's enough off subject for now
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2006, 02:48:09 PM » |
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Personally, I think Rory did the RIGHT thing last year in regards to Ben. Ben's been put on the clock for slow play so many times, and he just wasn't getting the message. So Rory just did something to really get his attention about it. I believe Ben even made a statement acknowledging that he plays slow, and was going to try and speed up his routine following the incident. Some people just need to get hit over the head before they get the message. Rory did that. And since the Tour wasn't doing much to speed up the pace of play, someone had to. I commend him for taking a stand against the slow-pokes.
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2006, 02:55:11 PM » |
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Rory did what every other pga player wanted to do last year to Ben. He walked away from a player that stood over his ball like he was paralyzed for minutes at a time. It is excruciatingly painful to watch Ben Crane play golf and many PGA players actually thanked Rory for what he did after it happened. When 1 player in the group is slow they all get put on the clock and His group was on the clock all day. It is a $20,000 fine for 10 clock violations.
OK, so maybe you shouldn't leave your playing partner and stroll onto the next hole. But anyone who has suffered through 5½-hour rounds at the local muni on a Saturday can certainly sympathize with being stuck with the notoriously slow Crane.
It didn't help that Sabbatini had already been paired with Crane on Thursday and Friday, then found himself in the group behind him Saturday. This is a guy who, in Las Vegas a few years ago, actually pulled out his yardage book and studied the contours sketched in it before putting.
''I need to work on picking it up,'' Crane admitted.
He does, and he's not alone. The tour is full of players who aren't much quicker. And, if walking off on your playing partner is a breach of etiquette, playing at a snail's pace is even worse.
Look at the USGA rulebook and there's almost an entire page devoted to the proper pace of play. ''Play at a good pace and keep up,'' one blue headline reads. ''Be ready to play,'' says another.
''At the end of the day, slow play is the bane of the game,'' USGA executive director David Fay said.
Ultimately, the responsibility for slow play rests with the PGA Tour, which talks a good game but seldom does anything about it. Players are put on the clock and warned if they get behind, with the vague threat of a possible fine if they do it too much.
But, as Allem once said, that's like a highway patrolman pulling a car over for doing 100 mph and telling the driver he'll be watching him the next three miles and give him a ticket if he does it again.
Want to get tough with players? Start passing out two-stroke penalties every time a group falls too far behind. Make them finish under a certain time or add a stroke to their score for every 15 minutes they go over.
The trickle-down effect would be immediate. Players would stop reading putts from 14 different directions, stop taking repeated practice swings, and stop throwing grass in the air to see if the wind has changed in the last 10 seconds.
Even better for golf, the guys in the foursome in front of you at your favorite course might stop doing the same things.
I was gonna say the same thing... well not exactly but pretty darn close  I think being balsy enough to do something noone else will, is a class in its own. Well done Rory. 
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As I said earlier. Neither of them are particularly high on my list - however, there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Mr. Rory did every single thing wrong - and that made the wrongs of the other party seem less 'bad'.
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2006, 05:21:28 PM » |
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I'm not a big fan of Rory. Golf is a game of etiquette, respect, honor. His treatment of Ben Crane showed me his true colors. His wife is not nice too  .
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I'm up in the air about Rory...  I can see him getting upset with Ben Crane that their group got put on the clock for Ben's slow play but on the other hand somebody needed to make a statement about slow play. The play has got so slow that in a 3 hour TV time slot they barely make it through 9 holes...  If he's such an Arse in person I wonder how he got a good looking wife? 
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I call them Golfers' Wives. Like Footballer Wives' in England. Its the unwritten rule of the land, a PGA Tour golfer must have a pretty gal. There are exceptions of course, those who married before getting on tour. Some good case examples: Lefty, Justin Leonard, Tiger. They can easily pick up a gal at a tourney, from what I've heard (not saying from who) the FBR, Augusta, and the Players' Championship have the hottest gals that drule over these guys. Just like that posse of young ladies screaming for Camilo Villegas at the FBR.
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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2006, 07:09:22 PM » |
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Rory did what every other pga player wanted to do last year to Ben. He walked away from a player that stood over his ball like he was paralyzed for minutes at a time. It is excruciatingly painful to watch Ben Crane play golf and many PGA players actually thanked Rory for what he did after it happened. When 1 player in the group is slow they all get put on the clock and His group was on the clock all day. It is a $20,000 fine for 10 clock violations.
OK, so maybe you shouldn't leave your playing partner and stroll onto the next hole. But anyone who has suffered through 5½-hour rounds at the local muni on a Saturday can certainly sympathize with being stuck with the notoriously slow Crane.
It didn't help that Sabbatini had already been paired with Crane on Thursday and Friday, then found himself in the group behind him Saturday. This is a guy who, in Las Vegas a few years ago, actually pulled out his yardage book and studied the contours sketched in it before putting.
''I need to work on picking it up,'' Crane admitted.
He does, and he's not alone. The tour is full of players who aren't much quicker. And, if walking off on your playing partner is a breach of etiquette, playing at a snail's pace is even worse.
Look at the USGA rulebook and there's almost an entire page devoted to the proper pace of play. ''Play at a good pace and keep up,'' one blue headline reads. ''Be ready to play,'' says another.
''At the end of the day, slow play is the bane of the game,'' USGA executive director David Fay said.
Ultimately, the responsibility for slow play rests with the PGA Tour, which talks a good game but seldom does anything about it. Players are put on the clock and warned if they get behind, with the vague threat of a possible fine if they do it too much.
But, as Allem once said, that's like a highway patrolman pulling a car over for doing 100 mph and telling the driver he'll be watching him the next three miles and give him a ticket if he does it again.
Want to get tough with players? Start passing out two-stroke penalties every time a group falls too far behind. Make them finish under a certain time or add a stroke to their score for every 15 minutes they go over.
The trickle-down effect would be immediate. Players would stop reading putts from 14 different directions, stop taking repeated practice swings, and stop throwing grass in the air to see if the wind has changed in the last 10 seconds.
Even better for golf, the guys in the foursome in front of you at your favorite course might stop doing the same things.
I agree that Crane was waaay too slow. However, the group had been put on and off the clock during the day AND they were not on the clock when Rory walked off. And if he was doing it too show Crane a lesson, why wait till towards the end of the round? One reason - he's a jerk.
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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2006, 07:13:19 PM » |
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As I said earlier. Neither of them are particularly high on my list - however, there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Mr. Rory did every single thing wrong - and that made the wrongs of the other party seem less 'bad'.
I am not trying to pick a fight but, I am sure other people have registered complaints and he knows he plays slow. So what else are you going to do? Especially if you play better when you are playing at a faster tempo? I would definitley pass if I was going to get fined and play worse. What would your solution be?
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Play by the rules, talk to your playing partner? Just for starters?
Now me being me, if I was the guy who did pairings? I'd pair them together from now onw on Thursday and Friday.
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