Test of classic equipment this weekend

[rp]

My father in law and I annually take out the old stuff and play for an entire weekend. We are planning this year on playing one round at the course I frequent, and one at his. I have been keeping track of my game alot lately and I am going to do a report on the actual difference. I honestly dont think there is going to be that big of a difference in yardage. In my report I will give an average of fairways and greens as well from the entire year to compare that as well as distance. My bag for the weekend will be below. Do you think my performance will be better or worse?

Cleveland Classic Crenshaw Model 10* - S400 - 43.5"
Macgregor Miurfield 16* - Dynamic S. 41.5"
1,3-PW - Wilson FG-17 - Dynamic S.
SW - Wilson Dynapower
Bullseye putter
Titleist Tour Balata or Professional ball.

All irons are one full club weak of my current set as well as 1/2" shorter.

[DukeV]

Cool idea....

In my opinion there will be a yardage difference....at least with the drivers....I say...15 yards..

Can't wait to see the results....

[Dr.Green]

That should be very interesting and a lot of fun ..........logic says you won't play as well but I wondering if the better concentration that you will need will be an equalizer.

[Jaw2000]

The concentration is what usually makes me hit my irons ok - to very good.

When I had mx-20s - great sticks I got very very sloppy.

If you are using new balls - and have a good swing, I'd be surprised if things were way different. I'd say you lose about 1 club - but overall accuracy may be about the same or better.

[rp]

I am actually pretty excited about the weekend. I think I could really stand a good chance of playing as well or even better. The irons will be exactly one club weak, so that will not be a problem. The driver I may not hit quite as far, but I will keep it in play better. If anything adds strokes to my game, it is hitting the driver out of play when it goes bad. I think a shorter and heavier driver with bulge and roll will keep it between the trees much better. I also think with this stuff I will play smarter. As jaw said, I get real sloppy with some of the new technology.

[rp]

Ok, I have gotten in 3 rounds of golf and think I can put a pretty honest assessment on it without blowing anything out of preportion.

Driver - I can honestly say that I lost no distance with the persimmon driver and old ball. I did get a lower flight, which is good for me, with a better roll. I think my carry distance with this driver is probably 10 yds less unless I make an effort to hit it higher, but overall it is the same. I also found that the misses are much more playable. I was well above my average in fairways hit for the 54 holes I played. For the year so far I have averaged 10 fw per round. In this stretch I have hit 12 each round. I also have averaged hitting 1 ball out of bounds per round with the driver. None with this one. The flight is still nice and straight on good hits and when I miss it curves back in play due to the bulge and roll of the head.

3 wood - I honestly did not get the chance to hit the 3 wood but one time in the stretch. I hit it good, but honestly did not get a good chance to compare. I dont hit 3w much normally either so this one will be really tough for me to compare.

Irons/Wedges - I really fell in love with my old blades again. I regained some confidence that I did not have for a long time. I also had the feeling that I could work shots in and had much more fun than I have been having. I improved my greens in regulation stat as well. I am a high ball hitter, so I really dont struggle with getting the muscle back airborne. On the occassions that I did find trouble, it was much easier to get the ball back in play with these. Also my feel around the greens was greatly improved. The downside to these is the misses were not as forgiving as the driver. The newer irons do have a leg up on these in that regard. So really the choice is forgiveness or playability just as it always has been. I did not lose any distance with on center hits when comparing the club with the same loft in my new set, not one yard. I did notice when compared with the same loft club in a newer set, these are a much lower flight and seem to react the same every time. I can also tell instantly what I did wrong and am more aware of it. This is a bad thing about the new stuff because when you cant feel misses, you cant correct them.

Putter - The old putter just plain sucks. I can hit it solid and control the distance fine, but the alignment aids on today's flatsticks are much better. The putts I missed this weekend were all pure strokes with a great roll just started in the wrong place. Not misreading, just not lined up where I think I am.

Ball - The ball is in my opinion better for my game than the new one. Downside is durability and consistency. Upside is greater ability to control short shots and working irons into the flag. I really like to work the ball into the hole location and with today's ball that is not near as easy. The new balls just dont hold as well even with square grooves. Nothing in my bag had square grooves and I created plenty of backspin. I also got the chance to do a little testing on the launch monitor a while back thanks to Bill Mann sending me a good selection of the older balls to compare. It is my opinion that the launch numbers are not as far off as you would think on full shots. Partial shots, however there is a tremendous decrease in spin with the new rocks. I think that is mainly due to the fact that the newer balls are easier to compress, but have harder covers. The compression and cover really balance out to be honest. I think it would be easy to play either if you managed your game well (which I do not). If I played away from partial shots when I play firm greens, the new ball would actually be better because I could find them easier and they last longer. However, with my management I can honestly say the older balls make it much easier to play the game.

In summary, I think the new equipment that is out is more durable and easier for the average player to keep straight. However, if you start it offline, the new stuff will just go further offline. Finding some good classic sticks will not hurt your game if you can just stand over them and believe in yourself. They help to keep it in play and can help your score immensely if you tend to hit it out of play. All of this is opinion only. Take it for what it is worth.

[luckysevens777]

Ok, I have gotten in 3 rounds of golf and think I can put a pretty honest assessment on it without blowing anything out of preportion.

Driver - I can honestly say that I lost no distance with the persimmon driver and old ball. I did get a lower flight, which is good for me, with a better roll. I think my carry distance with this driver is probably 10 yds less unless I make an effort to hit it higher, but overall it is the same. I also found that the misses are much more playable. I was well above my average in fairways hit for the 54 holes I played. For the year so far I have averaged 10 fw per round. In this stretch I have hit 12 each round. I also have averaged hitting 1 ball out of bounds per round with the driver. None with this one. The flight is still nice and straight on good hits and when I miss it curves back in play due to the bulge and roll of the head.

3 wood - I honestly did not get the chance to hit the 3 wood but one time in the stretch. I hit it good, but honestly did not get a good chance to compare. I dont hit 3w much normally either so this one will be really tough for me to compare.

Irons/Wedges - I really fell in love with my old blades again. I regained some confidence that I did not have for a long time. I also had the feeling that I could work shots in and had much more fun than I have been having. I improved my greens in regulation stat as well. I am a high ball hitter, so I really dont struggle with getting the muscle back airborne. On the occassions that I did find trouble, it was much easier to get the ball back in play with these. Also my feel around the greens was greatly improved. The downside to these is the misses were not as forgiving as the driver. The newer irons do have a leg up on these in that regard. So really the choice is forgiveness or playability just as it always has been. I did not lose any distance with on center hits when comparing the club with the same loft in my new set, not one yard. I did notice when compared with the same loft club in a newer set, these are a much lower flight and seem to react the same every time. I can also tell instantly what I did wrong and am more aware of it. This is a bad thing about the new stuff because when you cant feel misses, you cant correct them.

Putter - The old putter just plain sucks. I can hit it solid and control the distance fine, but the alignment aids on today's flatsticks are much better. The putts I missed this weekend were all pure strokes with a great roll just started in the wrong place. Not misreading, just not lined up where I think I am.

Ball - The ball is in my opinion better for my game than the new one. Downside is durability and consistency. Upside is greater ability to control short shots and working irons into the flag. I really like to work the ball into the hole location and with today's ball that is not near as easy. The new balls just dont hold as well even with square grooves. Nothing in my bag had square grooves and I created plenty of backspin. I also got the chance to do a little testing on the launch monitor a while back thanks to Bill Mann sending me a good selection of the older balls to compare. It is my opinion that the launch numbers are not as far off as you would think on full shots. Partial shots, however there is a tremendous decrease in spin with the new rocks. I think that is mainly due to the fact that the newer balls are easier to compress, but have harder covers. The compression and cover really balance out to be honest. I think it would be easy to play either if you managed your game well (which I do not). If I played away from partial shots when I play firm greens, the new ball would actually be better because I could find them easier and they last longer. However, with my management I can honestly say the older balls make it much easier to play the game.

In summary, I think the new equipment that is out is more durable and easier for the average player to keep straight. However, if you start it offline, the new stuff will just go further offline. Finding some good classic sticks will not hurt your game if you can just stand over them and believe in yourself. They help to keep it in play and can help your score immensely if you tend to hit it out of play. All of this is opinion only. Take it for what it is worth.

I can honestly believe a good ball striker would have outcomes like you did. But I'm surprised that you didn't lose any total distance with the driver especially with a 10º but the lower torque in the steel might have been what you needed. I can also believe that the ball can fit a player better, and that may be why you like Srixon golf balls since they aren't very comparable to the tough covered V1x or ONE Black, a little softer like the normal ProV1 or ONE Platinum. I wish I had some older clubs to go out and try out. But I have found some really old golf balls... too bad they were at the bottom of a lake or something like that

I like the review though, interesting how the old school driver did just as well as the new driver. Someone should get on the launch monitor Because I'm dumbfounded by that, I've hit a few older clubs at the store I work at and I can't hit them nearly as far as my driver and I'll generally hit my 3 wood farther because it pretty much looks just like the older drivers

-Lucky7

[rp]

The old school driver with this old ball will produce a lower launch angle with a higher spin rate. It pretty much results in the same shot. If the course was wet, the new one would be a better match because of the greater carry.

[DaveTheDuffer]

The old school driver with this old ball will produce a lower launch angle with a higher spin rate. It pretty much results in the same shot. If the course was wet, the new one would be a better match because of the greater carry.

I just don't quite understand that.  If that were true, why is everyone complaining about how the new equipment is ruining the game at the pro level?  I can tell you that from my perspective, my new equipment is much more forgiving (bad shots not quite as bad) as they used to be.

[XtremeCruiser]

.830 core is .830 core
RP brings up a good point... Maybe all the new stuff is just hype ?
I had to start using graphite shafts in my irons because of the wrist break and found my old Top Flite Tour Mid-Size with True Temper graphite shafts. These things have to be 10+ years old but they were all I had with graphite shafts and they were better than my the demo set with new technology & shafts 

To top it off I pulled my old Zero Tolerance BlackMax 415XL out of the trunk with a $8 shaft and crushed some of the longest drives of my life.

Battle of the Component drivers Shootout Thread

I knew there was a reason I bought a old 11.5 Top Flite Staff bag

[luckysevens777]

.830 core is .830 core
RP brings up a good point... Maybe all the new stuff is just hype ?
I had to start using graphite shafts in my irons because of the wrist break and found my old Top Flite Tour Mid-Size with True Temper graphite shafts. These things have to be 10+ years old but they were all I had with graphite shafts and they were better than my the demo set with new technology & shafts 

To top it off I pulled my old Zero Tolerance BlackMax 415XL out of the trunk with a $8 shaft and crushed some of the longest drives of my life.

Battle of the Component drivers Shootout Thread

I knew there was a reason I bought a old 11.5 Top Flite Staff bag

The only thing that's changing with those clubs is the forgiveness and the swingspeed. When I switch from my driver to one of those older drivers I'm not sure if my swing really slows down, I'm sure it does because I'll bet they are heavier, but I still hit my 3 wood farther. I think RP just has a good fit for himself. He must not have a club that is too heavy because his ball speed can't be suffering that much.

-Lucky7

[aec4]

Physics drives how far the ball goes, nothing else. 

On dead center hits, I can imagine that distances on a club made up the same way (loft/lie/length) are the same. 

The Tour pros really began to increase their distance due to 3 factors:
1)  MUCH improved condition of the players themselves (for the most part)
2)  MUCH improved club fitting.  A launch monitor was rarely used long ago.  Now players can use this monitor to quickly match shaft to head to ball for optimal distance/control
3)  Condition of the fairways.  Fairways are now cut down to the length greens were cut down to 25 yrs ago.  When clubs want the conditions "hard and fast", they need to expect the ball to roll. 


Technology helps, but not to the degree people have been led to believe.  I still think over a longer test period (6 months?) newer technology would be better for RP or anyone else than the older stuff.  While the results presented here are good, the same time is too short.  It's interesting data, but there are still questions if you are going to examine the experiment.  For starters, what would happen if RP put the same swings on the ball with the newer technology?  In other words, was he just swinging real well this weekend?  Unfortunately, there is no way to do a "double blind" study in this, so the question also arrises, "Was RP just concentrating more and holding his focus for the entire round?"

I'd be real curious of the results if these clubs stayed in the bag for a month+ or so.  I hope that this is just a better fit.  I really do.  However, if a ball has lower trajectory, with more spin, physics says it will not go as far.  That doesn't matter if the ball/clubs used were produced in 1969 or 2006.  Physics says there is an optimal set of conditions to produce optimal distance for a given swing.  It's quite possible (I'm not saying it's true though, because RP is a really good club fitter) that his old driver makeup, for example, just wasn't a good fit.   I'd like to see the 1969 equipment against a driver made/fit ideally (12.5/2500, 1.5 smash?, I don't know but those are good numbers) for RP.

With all that said, if RP found a set of equipment made in1969 that produced closer to those ideal #s, THAT would produce optimal distance.  Physics has no idea when the clubs were made, the material of the clubhead, etc etc. 

I do believe, however, with the driver, the shorter shaft may be yielding more dead square hits, and on a "little bit off" swings, the ball won't travel as far offline.  That makes perfect sense.   I compare this to my 3 wood against my driver.  With my 3 wood (43"), I seem to be much more in control of the misses than with my driver.  Same is true with the recent hybrid change I made.  It went from 42.25" to 40.75, but distance stayed close to the same, and accuracy increased dramatically.  I make more dead center contact because of the shorter shaft, so distance stays the same, and the shorter club makes it harder to hit it offline.

[Dr.Green]

Physics drives how far the ball goes, nothing else. 

On dead center hits, I can imagine that distances on a club made up the same way (loft/lie/length) are the same. 

The Tour pros really began to increase their distance due to 3 factors:
1)  MUCH improved condition of the players themselves (for the most part)
2)  MUCH improved club fitting.  A launch monitor was rarely used long ago.  Now players can use this monitor to quickly match shaft to head to ball for optimal distance/control
3)  Condition of the fairways.  Fairways are now cut down to the length greens were cut down to 25 yrs ago.  When clubs want the conditions "hard and fast", they need to expect the ball to roll. 


Technology helps, but not to the degree people have been led to believe.  I still think over a longer test period (6 months?) newer technology would be better for RP or anyone else than the older stuff.  While the results presented here are good, the same time is too short.  It's interesting data, but there are still questions if you are going to examine the experiment.  For starters, what would happen if RP put the same swings on the ball with the newer technology?  In other words, was he just swinging real well this weekend?  Unfortunately, there is no way to do a "double blind" study in this, so the question also arrises, "Was RP just concentrating more and holding his focus for the entire round?"

I'd be real curious of the results if these clubs stayed in the bag for a month+ or so.  I hope that this is just a better fit.  I really do.  However, if a ball has lower trajectory, with more spin, physics says it will not go as far.  That doesn't matter if the ball/clubs used were produced in 1969 or 2006.  Physics says there is an optimal set of conditions to produce optimal distance for a given swing.  It's quite possible (I'm not saying it's true though, because RP is a really good club fitter) that his old driver makeup, for example, just wasn't a good fit.   I'd like to see the 1969 equipment against a driver made/fit ideally (12.5/2500, 1.5 smash?, I don't know but those are good numbers) for RP.

With all that said, if RP found a set of equipment made in1969 that produced closer to those ideal #s, THAT would produce optimal distance.  Physics has no idea when the clubs were made, the material of the clubhead, etc etc. 

I do believe, however, with the driver, the shorter shaft may be yielding more dead square hits, and on a "little bit off" swings, the ball won't travel as far offline.  That makes perfect sense.   I compare this to my 3 wood against my driver.  With my 3 wood (43"), I seem to be much more in control of the misses than with my driver.  Same is true with the recent hybrid change I made.  It went from 42.25" to 40.75, but distance stayed close to the same, and accuracy increased dramatically.  I make more dead center contact because of the shorter shaft, so distance stays the same, and the shorter club makes it harder to hit it offline.

Stop this right now - the next thing you'll be telling us is Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy are not real! 

[XtremeCruiser]

Jack Nicklaus in his prime used a 42" wooden headed driver with a R300 shaft that was extremely back weighted and hit the ball well over 300 yards.

Stop this right now - the next thing you'll be telling us is Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy are not real! 

I know for a fact the easter Bunny is real. Wabbbit stew

[aec4]

Jack Nicklaus in his prime used a 42" wooden headed driver with a R300 shaft that was extremely back weighted and hit the ball well over 300 yards.

I think I'd say with the modern equipment, MORE people can hit the ball over 300 yds.  Back in the day, it took a special talent to do it, and now it seems to be more norm

Heck, go to BSG.. they call can do it.  After reading their site, I figure I should start playing the reds.

[rp]

Physics drives how far the ball goes, nothing else. 

On dead center hits, I can imagine that distances on a club made up the same way (loft/lie/length) are the same. 

The Tour pros really began to increase their distance due to 3 factors:
1)  MUCH improved condition of the players themselves (for the most part)
2)  MUCH improved club fitting.  A launch monitor was rarely used long ago.  Now players can use this monitor to quickly match shaft to head to ball for optimal distance/control
3)  Condition of the fairways.  Fairways are now cut down to the length greens were cut down to 25 yrs ago.  When clubs want the conditions "hard and fast", they need to expect the ball to roll. 


Technology helps, but not to the degree people have been led to believe.  I still think over a longer test period (6 months?) newer technology would be better for RP or anyone else than the older stuff.  While the results presented here are good, the same time is too short.  It's interesting data, but there are still questions if you are going to examine the experiment.  For starters, what would happen if RP put the same swings on the ball with the newer technology?  In other words, was he just swinging real well this weekend?  Unfortunately, there is no way to do a "double blind" study in this, so the question also arrises, "Was RP just concentrating more and holding his focus for the entire round?"

I'd be real curious of the results if these clubs stayed in the bag for a month+ or so.  I hope that this is just a better fit.  I really do.  However, if a ball has lower trajectory, with more spin, physics says it will not go as far.  That doesn't matter if the ball/clubs used were produced in 1969 or 2006.  Physics says there is an optimal set of conditions to produce optimal distance for a given swing.  It's quite possible (I'm not saying it's true though, because RP is a really good club fitter) that his old driver makeup, for example, just wasn't a good fit.   I'd like to see the 1969 equipment against a driver made/fit ideally (12.5/2500, 1.5 smash?, I don't know but those are good numbers) for RP.

With all that said, if RP found a set of equipment made in1969 that produced closer to those ideal #s, THAT would produce optimal distance.  Physics has no idea when the clubs were made, the material of the clubhead, etc etc. 

I do believe, however, with the driver, the shorter shaft may be yielding more dead square hits, and on a "little bit off" swings, the ball won't travel as far offline.  That makes perfect sense.   I compare this to my 3 wood against my driver.  With my 3 wood (43"), I seem to be much more in control of the misses than with my driver.  Same is true with the recent hybrid change I made.  It went from 42.25" to 40.75, but distance stayed close to the same, and accuracy increased dramatically.  I make more dead center contact because of the shorter shaft, so distance stays the same, and the shorter club makes it harder to hit it offline.

One thing that you did not take into account on the physics of it that a lower flight will produce a harder forward kick regardless of spin rate. If the balls come into the ground at the same angle, then yes the higher spin will stop much sooner.I honestly think that is what is happening here. The ball is coming in so much lower that even with the extra spin (albeit very little to be honest) the ball is kicking forward with good roll. Now I must say that the new technology does make it much easier to produce a "pretty" shot. But in most cases that does not equal better results.

[rp]

Follow up:

I played nine yesterday and for arguments sake I bought a sleeve of Pro V to hit with the same clubs to compare. I did not notice a tremendous difference to be honest. The Pro V felt/sounded firmer but iron distances were virtually the same. Driver too. I did notice that balls did not curve as much, even with the old equipment. Also the spin on the green on pitches is noticeably less, but not so much that I could not adjust. I am also going to get out my new sticks and play them with the old ball one day later in the week so that I have in my mind a good comparison on every combo.

[Mollinswood_lofts]

I played a few holes a couple of weeks ago with my presimmion driver Ram Tour Axial 11* DG shafts FM 265 CPMs @ 44" and I have to say the first thing was ball flight was much lower but the thing just wanted to go left all the time.

Few alignment changes and ball positioning/teeing height and I was hitting it up along side my 983E and Cobra 450 tour.

One thing I did notice is shaping shots, once dialled in you could hit the persimmon through an open bathroon window such is the workability of it, unfortunatelty I was playing newer balls HX blues unlike Robby.
Gear effect is very pronounced !

I think persimmion needs active hands and lends itself to a dymanic swing, the robotic swings of today
aren't suited to striking wooden drivers.....  you get a little creative through impact and you can turn this into a wand, it's so wierd to think I've lost so much shotmaking out of the bag since the mid 80's.

You can hit this thing straight out 230 plus and tail it last 1/3 round trees, doglegs... a wonderful experience.

The biggest shock for me was the feel, most drives I felt like i hit that 190cc sweetspot every time.

One thing,  it's one sure fire way to dial your game in and bring some fun back.

I'm going to air the woods every couple of weeks, maybe try a medal playing persimmon.

[rp]

I played a few holes a couple of weeks ago with my presimmion driver Ram Tour Axial 11* DG shafts FM 265 CPMs @ 44" and I have to say the first thing was ball flight was much lower but the thing just wanted to go left all the time.

Few alignment changes and ball positioning/teeing height and I was hitting it up along side my 983E and Cobra 450 tour.

One thing I did notice is shaping shots, once dialled in you could hit the persimmon through an open bathroon window such is the workability of it, unfortunatelty I was playing newer balls HX blues unlike Robby.
Gear effect is very pronounced !

I think persimmion needs active hands and lends itself to a dymanic swing, the robotic swings of today
aren't suited to striking wooden drivers.....  you get a little creative through impact and you can turn this into a wand, it's so wierd to think I've lost so much shotmaking out of the bag since the mid 80's.

You can hit this thing straight out 230 plus and tail it last 1/3 round trees, doglegs... a wonderful experience.

The biggest shock for me was the feel, most drives I felt like i hit that 190cc sweetspot every time.

One thing,  it's one sure fire way to dial your game in and bring some fun back.

I'm going to air the woods every couple of weeks, maybe try a medal playing persimmon.

I am glad to see I am not the only one that thinks they could be benificial. I would love to hear what you have to say after playing the old stuff for a few rounds to see if our data compares.

[Mollinswood_lofts]

I'm definitely going to card a score this season with the wooden driver so I'll let you know.

I think I read somewhere that the COR of persimmon is 0.8+ not too far off Ti drivers, i'll need to do some digging
around to find it on the web.

[eye2sinaz]

I am glad to see I am not the only one that thinks they could be benificial. I would love to hear what you have to say after playing the old stuff for a few rounds to see if our data compares.
[/quote]

Robbie,
I enjoyed this entire thread!  Having spent my entire youth hitting persimmon woods and forged blades, it is nice to see someone compare new and old equipment. 
I have taken out a persimmon driver, but not for a few years, now.  The last time I did, I lost very little distance and enjoyed the looks on my playing partner's faces when the wood came out from under the cover.  It was a PGA Tommy Armour and had a nice low climbing riser coming off the face.  It made me think of the "good old days" watching our local pro hit shots on the range and letting us call them.  "Take it out 200 yds, the hook it left," we'd say.  It was like watching a machine.  I had no idea how he was doing it, but it sure looked cool!
Side Note:  I had an original George Bayer GB-1 MacGregor and was amazed at the size of the head and length of the shaft.  It was original with the leather wrap still intact and good conditon on the head.  It had to be 44 1/2" - 45" in length.  I have heard that George was a BIG man with meathooks for hands and this must have been a lethal combination when struck with his swing.  He was described to me as a gentle giant and the nicest man you would ever want to meet on a golf course..........and crazy long off the tee.
Just an observation and a Thank You for sharing your experiment.  Now, I am off to pick the persimmon driver for next weekend's round.
LaMont in AZ

[geekoman]

I played a few holes a couple of weeks ago with my presimmion driver Ram Tour Axial 11* DG shafts FM 265 CPMs @ 44" and I have to say the first thing was ball flight was much lower but the thing just wanted to go left all the time.

Few alignment changes and ball positioning/teeing height and I was hitting it up along side my 983E and Cobra 450 tour.

One thing I did notice is shaping shots, once dialled in you could hit the persimmon through an open bathroon window such is the workability of it, unfortunatelty I was playing newer balls HX blues unlike Robby.
Gear effect is very pronounced !

I think persimmion needs active hands and lends itself to a dymanic swing, the robotic swings of today
aren't suited to striking wooden drivers.....  you get a little creative through impact and you can turn this into a wand, it's so wierd to think I've lost so much shotmaking out of the bag since the mid 80's.

You can hit this thing straight out 230 plus and tail it last 1/3 round trees, doglegs... a wonderful experience.

The biggest shock for me was the feel, most drives I felt like i hit that 190cc sweetspot every time.

One thing,  it's one sure fire way to dial your game in and bring some fun back.

I'm going to air the woods every couple of weeks, maybe try a medal playing persimmon.

The ball stays on the face longer so workability is much better with wood.

[rp]

As a bit of a follow up, I have found several dozen of the Titleist Professional and Tour Prestige 90 brand new still in the box and I have been playing with them for a while. No one in my foursomes even notice. The short game is much improved as well. In fact, since I have stuck with the same bag for 5 months now and playing these eggs, my hcp has dropped 3.2 strokes