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« on: July 19, 2010, 08:38:21 AM » |
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If I had to make my list, it would be:
1- Stricker 2- Westwood 3- Rose 4- Mahan 5- Casey
Sergio needs to get back on track before he cracks the top 5.
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2010, 08:52:44 AM » |
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Westwood Rory Anthony Kim Henrik Stenson Tie between Kaymer, Mahan, Dustin Johnson
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2010, 08:58:37 AM » |
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You put those guys ahead of Stricker? All of them?  ? 
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2010, 09:06:15 AM » |
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Casey Kaymer Westwood Stricker McIlroy
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2010, 09:07:12 AM » |
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Westwood can pretty much be he top 5 all by himself
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2010, 09:10:43 AM » |
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Strickers won 5 times on the PGA Tour the last two years whereas Westwood has won once EVER in the States. Granted he does have a lot of close finishes in majors recently, but IMO, winning is the thing. Rory Mac might be the most talented of the group but he has a little while to go before matching some of the others accomplishments. He also might win one before most of these guys anyway 
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2010, 09:13:07 AM » |
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Westwood can pretty much be he top 5 all by himself
Absolutely. The guy hits it a mile, has a great iron game, putts lights out. Well, for 66 holes anyways.  How many 3 footers did he miss this week? Gotta be near 10. Unreal that he finishes 2nd after all that. If he makes half those, he's right there with Louis. R35
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2010, 09:15:36 AM » |
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You put those guys ahead of Stricker? All of them?  ?  Maybe he's ahead of Mahan.  I just see Striker as zero testicular fortitude. Plus, he lacks power. So if we get another shorter US Open venue like Pebble, maybe he can squeak one out. Maybe, maybe the Masters under certain weather conditions where distance is at a premium and his putter can shine. But other than, I don't think he'll ever win a major. Strickers won 5 times on the PGA Tour the last two years whereas Westwood has won once EVER in the States. Granted he does have a lot of close finishes in majors recently, but IMO, winning is the thing. Rory Mac might be the most talented of the group but he has a little while to go before matching some of the others accomplishments. He also might win one before most of these guys anyway  How many times have Sergio and Adam Scott won on the PGA Tour? Winning a regular event on any tour is a completely different animal than winning a major. He reminds me of the Atlanta Braves.
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2010, 11:01:05 AM » |
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He reminds me of the Atlanta Braves.
Its the chipper jones thing he has goin on
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2010, 07:02:15 PM » |
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Westwood can pretty much be he top 5 all by himself
+1. Of course, that says a lot about Westwood. He has a knack for playing very well in the big ones, but having his putter not respond late in the tournament when it really counts. Hope that Lee can get off the schneid.
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2010, 07:56:49 PM » |
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Westwood by a mile
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2010, 11:57:07 PM » |
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Westwood, then Anthony Kim.
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2010, 06:52:47 AM » |
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Maybe he's ahead of Mahan.  I just see Striker as zero testicular fortitude. Plus, he lacks power. So if we get another shorter US Open venue like Pebble, maybe he can squeak one out. Maybe, maybe the Masters under certain weather conditions where distance is at a premium and his putter can shine. But other than, I don't think he'll ever win a major. Stricker is not really in the same conversation as best to never win a major. He's had a resurgent hot hand the last couple of years which has put him atop the world rankings, but he's nowhere near the talents of Adam Scott, Sergio, Westwood and some of the young bombers like Johnson (D.), O'Hair, Watney, etc. When it's said and done, Stricker will pretty much be remembered for the player he was - kept it in play, hit it 275 - 280 and putted well. Won a handful of tournaments and achieved pretty much exactly what was expected of him.
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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2010, 12:42:41 PM » |
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Stricker is not really in the same conversation as best to never win a major. He's had a resurgent hot hand the last couple of years which has put him atop the world rankings, but he's nowhere near the talents of Adam Scott, Sergio, Westwood and some of the young bombers like Johnson (D.), O'Hair, Watney, etc. When it's said and done, Stricker will pretty much be remembered for the player he was - kept it in play, hit it 275 - 280 and putted well. Won a handful of tournaments and achieved pretty much exactly what was expected of him.
True, but for all those "big hitters" and immense talents, Stricker is the guy who actually wins Golf Tournaments. For all his immense talents, what exactly has Sergio done except choke away Majors and hit a cool eyes closed shot when he was 19? Granted Westwood has done extremely well over in Europe, but he has one only once in the US. Best means Best and you become best by Winning, not by talent. It's why Tiger is Tiger and Phil is Phil.
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2010, 12:57:50 PM » |
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Westwood Casey Kaymer Kim O'Hair
The top 10-15 w/o a major is a list heaped full of talent.
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« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2010, 04:39:10 PM » |
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Kenny Perry Stricker KJ Choi
Euros: Colin Montgomerie Westwood Bjorn
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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2010, 04:40:48 PM » |
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Stricker is not really in the same conversation as best to never win a major. He's had a resurgent hot hand the last couple of years which has put him atop the world rankings, but he's nowhere near the talents of Adam Scott, Sergio, Westwood and some of the young bombers like Johnson (D.), O'Hair, Watney, etc. When it's said and done, Stricker will pretty much be remembered for the player he was - kept it in play, hit it 275 - 280 and putted well. Won a handful of tournaments and achieved pretty much exactly what was expected of him.
True, but for all those "big hitters" and immense talents, Stricker is the guy who actually wins Golf Tournaments. For all his immense talents, what exactly has Sergio done except choke away Majors and hit a cool eyes closed shot when he was 19? Granted Westwood has done extremely well over in Europe, but he has one only once in the US. Best means Best and you become best by Winning, not by talent. It's why Tiger is Tiger and Phil is Phil.
Talent begets confidence begets Winning (sic). You don't win golf tournaments on any significant level without loads of talent. Tiger was (is?) a freak of nature - an almost perfect combination of talent, confidence and focus. If not for him, FIGJAM would be the gold standard with 38 wins including four majors. As far as the young guys v. Stricker goes, Sergio has won two less tournaments than Stricker and is 30, or 13 years younger - he is one of the best ball strikers the game has seen in a LONG time. Conversely he is one of the worst putters for having such extraordinary ball-striking ability. He's very young - I predict he'll get back on track and win a big one or three before it is over; remember, FIGJAM didn't win his first major until he was 34. Anyway, exact same stat with Adam Scott - two fewer wins than Stricker, 13 years younger. DJ has three wins and is 17 years younger than Stricker. O'Hair has three wins in the last five years, but isn't 30 yet - Stricker didn't win until he was almost 30. Yada yada yada. This is highly subjective, and I understand why you would pick him because he has a lot of WGR points right now and four wins in the last two years. But IMO, he's a solid, plodding player who has won nine tournaments over a 17 year PGA TOUR career. If he never wins a major, I don't see him being talked about as one of the best to never cash in in a big one. BTW, Westwood has two PGA TOUR wins, not just one. Not exactly a world beater, and now that I think about it I'm not sure he's really in that conversation either, but nevertheless, it's two wins.
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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2010, 05:11:09 PM » |
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True, but for all those "big hitters" and immense talents, Stricker is the guy who actually wins Golf Tournaments. For all his immense talents, what exactly has Sergio done except choke away Majors and hit a cool eyes closed shot when he was 19? Granted Westwood has done extremely well over in Europe, but he has one only once in the US. Best means Best and you become best by Winning, not by talent. It's why Tiger is Tiger and Phil is Phil.
You judge the best by majors. What has Stricker ever done at a major? Do you remember? He's got some top tens but do you really think he's going to win a major? As far as wins: Stricker = 8 PGA victories Sergio = 7 PGA victories Adam Scott = 6 PGA victories Paddy = 5 PGA victories Whose the best?  I think all these guys are going to win a major. Westwood Rory Anthony Kim Henrik Stenson Tie between Kaymer, Mahan, Dustin Johnson I don't think Stricks will.
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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2010, 08:59:44 AM » |
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Put me in the group that doesn't believe that AK can win a major. No chance.
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2010, 07:01:49 PM » |
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Put me in the group that doesn't believe that AK can win a major. No chance.
At 25, he has 60 more solid chances + 20 more longer shots. He'll slip up and win one if he can stay healthy.
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« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2010, 11:19:29 AM » |
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Monty is one of the best who now has no chance. Westwood is the best hope out of the current crop that haven't yet won.
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« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2010, 02:15:39 PM » |
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Strickers won 5 times on the PGA Tour the last two years whereas Westwood has won once EVER in the States. Granted he does have a lot of close finishes in majors recently, but IMO, winning is the thing.
I just LOVE it  when people say wins outside the US does not count for anything. Let's flip it, Stricker has never won OUTSIDE the US. So when you say winning is the thing, why would he even be on your list?
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« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2010, 07:53:32 PM » |
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I just LOVE it  when people say wins outside the US does not count for anything. Let's flip it, Stricker has never won OUTSIDE the US. So when you say winning is the thing, why would he even be on your list? I'm not discounting wins outside the US as long as you win in the US as well. The most consistent competition top to bottom, week in and out is on the US PGA and that is really not arguable.
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