Is it me or ........

[Dr.Green]

........do you find that the guys you play with who want to give you swing tips and theories are generally 15+ handicappers? 

[bogeycentral]

I have only had that happen once to me, but seen it happen plenty to others and I think the number is more like 20+ handicappers 

[jape]

One of my biggest pet peeves.

[Richard Nixon]

I don't want swing tips. Ever. I have benefited from only two: the old men who'd grumble at me that I was swinging too fast and raising my head early, and the friend who told me never to listen to anybody's swing tips.

I want to figure it out on my own. If I'm giving advice, it's either because I'm asked, or because it's to one of the very small group of guys that I regularly play golf with and even then it's usually in the form of, "Woah! Maybe try not to square dance while you're swinging there buddy!"

[bl8d]

that's because they haven't cancelled their magazine subscription yet. So much to read ,so much to share!

[larryrsf]

I have only had that happen once to me, but seen it happen plenty to others and I think the number is more like 20+ handicappers  

Try this guy's tip.  He is scratch either right or left handed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38rsy8ZNvM8&feature=fvw

This drill, the whole concept of SWINGING it back with good footwork and then SWINGING it into the downswing changes everything.  You will backswing on plane--and downswing on plane and accelerate the clubhead through because you will post on your front leg before swinging-- "plant-hit."  That is the whole deal--and that is the single difference between 99% of amateurs and every elite golfer.  They swing before they are posted.  And they pay the price with sideways shots.

Larry

Larry

[jape]

Try this guy's tip.  He is scratch either right or left handed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38rsy8ZNvM8&feature=fvw

This drill, the whole concept of SWINGING it back with good footwork and then SWINGING it into the downswing changes everything.  You will backswing on plane--and downswing on plane and accelerate the clubhead through because you will post on your front leg before swinging-- "plant-hit."  That is the whole deal--and that is the single difference between 99% of amateurs and every elite golfer.  They swing before they are posted.  And they pay the price with sideways shots.

Larry

Larry

So...  this whole post is making fun of people who offer advice when it wasn't asked for & you posted advise when nobody asked for advice?

I'm sorry, but I can't tell - are you being serious or is this sarcastic?

[Dr.Green]

....your HI is 17.3 Larry ......I rest my case 

[larryrsf]

....your HI is 17.3 Larry ......I rest my case  

FYI, I got down to 6 handicap with an ugly swing--but great recovery technique.   I hated that.  So I quit keeping score when I decided to stop everything and learn a real golf swing.   When I play courses now, I often drop another ball working on my swing--there is no score to post.   But I want to maximize the learning experience by getting more "reps," exactly the way we tennis player just rally instead of playing formal games.  Drop another ball, forget score, get 4 hours of intense swing practice--and refuse to revert back just to advance the ball and get up and down to score.  That attitude really helps when you are in the middle of a complete swing change, BTW.   

It worked.  Now I will resume keeping and posting scores.  

FYI, when I post here, I intend for the whole board to see it--even though it is ostensibly in reply to one.    I believe every golfer, this whole board, even if PGA pro, could benefit from the Perpetual Motion drill and concept.   "plant-hit" is for everyone--Jack Nicklaus very aggressively threw his weight to his front foot--then swung.  

But hey!   Don't take it personally; you don't have to do anything.  PLEASE don't do Shawn Clement's suggested drills!  Feel free to ridicule those suggesting that and offering earnest advice.   If you're lucky your ridicule will stop others from improving.   It is hard to discern the motive of some people posting to these forums.    Beats me why someone would vehmently refuse training advice from professionals, but still lurk in a golf discussion forum and in swing discussion threads in particular?--

Its just a game.  See ya out there.  

Larry

[Sillybodkins]

Try this guy's tip.  He is scratch either right or left handed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38rsy8ZNvM8&feature=fvw

This drill, the whole concept of SWINGING it back with good footwork and then SWINGING it into the downswing changes everything.  You will backswing on plane--and downswing on plane and accelerate the clubhead through because you will post on your front leg before swinging-- "plant-hit."  That is the whole deal--and that is the single difference between 99% of amateurs and every elite golfer.  They swing before they are posted.  And they pay the price with sideways shots.

Larry

Larry

Larry,

I watched the Shawn clements video, and I think it was great.  Get the body out of the way - to let the arms swing.  A unique revelation.

thanks - I'll be doing the drill.

[larryrsf]

Larry,

I watched the Shawn clements video, and I think it was great.  Get the body out of the way - to let the arms swing.  A unique revelation.

thanks - I'll be doing the drill.

I do it during my warmup--and during the round I do it in miniature before my turn to hit.  I know my mistakes have always been related to being late--failing to lead my swing with hips-- which means failing to shift my weight to my my front heel BEFORE I hit the ball.  That causes deceleration-- and forces us to hit the outside of the ball-- slice. Watch any good player and they make a divot starting at the ball position and extend along the target line or even to the outside slightly-- you can't do that if your weight is on your back foot!!!

You can do that little "plant-hit" or "1-2" rhythm dance without a ball and even without a club.  Just ensure you are POSTED on your front leg before impact--  it is only the whole thing about the golf swing.

When you hit a few balls--with any club-- while posted you will suddenly feel what good players feel every swing--the ability to compress the ball and even "trap" iron shots.   "plant-hit."

Larry

[larryrsf]

I do it during my warmup--and during the round I do it in miniature before my turn to hit.  I know my mistakes have always been related to being late--failing to lead my swing with hips-- which means failing to shift my weight to my my front heel BEFORE I hit the ball.  That causes deceleration-- and forces us to hit the outside of the ball-- slice. Watch any good player and they make a divot starting at the ball position and extend along the target line or even to the outside slightly-- you can't do that if your weight is on your back foot!!!

You can do that little "plant-hit" or "1-2" rhythm dance without a ball and even without a club.  Just ensure you are POSTED on your front leg before impact--  it is only the whole thing about the golf swing.

When you hit a few balls--with any club-- while posted you will suddenly feel what good players feel every swing--the ability to compress the ball and even "trap" iron shots.   "plant-hit."

You will feel like you have barely started your backswing when you must start turning your hips forward for the downswing-- it is a "pop the whip" move reversal--that create the "X factor" torso stretch as hips turn forward while shoulders are still turning back.   That is the secret to the effortless distance we see when the pros swing. 

Larry

[daughterscameron]

One of my biggest pet peeves.

+1...  thousand!!

[spike]

FYI, I got down to 6 handicap with an ugly swing--but great recovery technique.   I hated that.  So I quit keeping score when I decided to stop everything and learn a real golf swing. But if you quit keeping score,how did your handicap go from 6 to 17.3?  When I play courses now, I often drop another ball working on my swing--there is no score to post.   But I want to maximize the learning experience by getting more "reps," exactly the way we tennis player just rally instead of playing formal games.  Drop another ball, forget score, get 4 hours of intense swing practice--and refuse to revert back just to advance the ball and get up and down to score.  That attitude really helps when you are in the middle of a complete swing change, BTW.  Agreed 

It worked.  Now I will resume keeping and posting scores.  Again,if you weren't posting scores when you were changing your swing,how'd the 'cap get up to 17?

Larry

[Jaylasvegas]

[Hungsolo]

  Right after I started playing, my friend who was about a 36 handicap and I was about a 25ish, total hacks, this guy starts trying to get my friend to swing the "Moe Norman" way.  It was infuriating and we had a miserable time.

[Jaylasvegas]

  Right after I started playing, my friend who was about a 36 handicap and I was about a 25ish, total hacks, this guy starts trying to get my friend to swing the "Moe Norman" way.  It was infuriating and we had a miserable time.

ahh "Natural Golf"  my uncle who is a chop on the course did the same thing and tried to convert everyone he played with

[br61]

........do you find that the guys you play with who want to give you swing tips and theories are generally 15+ handicappers?  

No sh!t, there's one guy that always do that to me. Played with him for 1st time all year. Tried to tell me what I was doing wrong on one hole when I made a bad swing like everyone else does once a while. I told him "uh what did you say and told him to give himself a lesson". Of course he shot a 84 or 85 while I shot a good score, about 13-14 shots better plus nearly $60 richer than he was.

I'll listen only to my club professionals who knows my game as I play with them often, to everyone else, shut the f&ck up.

[Chelanace]

No sh!t, there's one guy that always do that to me. Played with him for 1st time all year. Tried to tell me what I was did wrong on one hole when I made a bad swing like everyone else does once a while. I told him "uh what did you say and told him to give himself a lesson". Of course he shot a 84 or 85 while I shot a good score, about 13-14 shots better plus nearly $60 richer than he was.

I'll listen only to my club professionals who knows my game as I play with them often, to everyone else, shut the f&ck up.

I was about to send you some useful tips Bill!!!  I'll keep it to myself.   

[mitchcumstein]

Please Larry, stop with the Clement vids. He has a lot of great stuff to offer, but you are doing him a huge diservice treating him as if he is the end all be all.

[br61]

I was about to send you some useful tips Bill!!!  I'll keep it to myself.   

LOL, amazing a good day at course and in 19th hole afterwards can loosen anyone's mouth up. 

But this one particular guy is annoying and now I know why I try not to play with him often.

[Divot Dan]

Please Larry, stop with the Clement vids. He has a lot of great stuff to offer, but you are doing him a huge diservice treating him as if he is the end all be all.

Nothin' personal, but this is a free speech forum. I would hate to have my posts censored because someone else finds them annoying. If Larry wants to post, so be it. Those who don't like what he offers can simply hit the Mark as Read tab and move past him.

[Jaylasvegas]

Nothin' personal, but this is a free speech forum. I would hate to have my posts censored because someone else finds them annoying. If Larry wants to post, so be it. Those who don't like what he offers can simply hit the Mark as Read tab and move past him.

normally that would be the case, but every single post Larry has made on this forum  is a post with a link to the same videos or a shill for his technique pivot for power

check his user profile and then posts if you dont believe me

[Divot Dan]

normally that would be the case, but every single post Larry has made on this forum  is a post with a link to the same videos or a shill for his technique pivot for power
check his user profile and then posts if you dont believe me

I believe you and understand what you're saying. But that's one of few the negatives of a lightly-moderated forum--the kind I prefer.

[jeffkar]

........do you find that the guys you play with who want to give you swing tips and theories are generally 15+ handicappers? 

There's a name for this phenomenon: The Dunning Kruger Effect


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect