Mizuno-- Why does my pitching wedge measure 36 inches?

[golfnerd317]

 
So, I got fitted for Mizzy MP-52 at Windmill Lakes in Ohio...a reputable award winning Mizzy fitter.  Great experience and great fitting...did the shaft optimizer...lie board, etc...

My fitting...1* up and standard length with DG S300.

Went to pick em up Wednesday and wow did the PW seem long...put it on my golfsmith club ruler...and the Pitching Wedge measures at 36 inches YET...the Mizzy website has the PW at 35.5.

If I'm correct, I have that Golfsmith club ruler with the flange on the end...If I'm not mistake you are supposed to set it so that the apex or center of the camber on the sole is centered...CORRECT?  That's how I got 36 inches.  Am I doing that right?

WTF?

I bought a MP-52 PW to shag balls with ( I hit wedges almost every day as I take my do to a local abandoned baseball field) in advance and got it bent to 1 degree upright and installed a DG S300 and built it to 35.5.  Freaking love it and it feels sweet.

Why is my PW at 36? I'm not really feeling that extra 1/2 inch.  I really like it at 35.5.
Can I cut it to 35.5 or am I gonna screw with the Frequency?  Why does the website say 35.5?  A 1/2 inch seems like alot.

ANYBODY?

[bcheeks]

get a pipe cutter and cut a half inch off.  it'll be fine

[Captain Joesterio]

as the Sit said, cut the grip off, butt cutt one half inch, and either strip the tape and regrip or put a piece over the butt end to make the grip installationn a helluva lot easier

[golfnerd317]

get a pipe cutter and cut a half inch off.  it'll be fine

dude...i got the chop saw from golfsmith...no F-in around in my workshop.

Still wondering why they did that?

If I'm correct, I have that Golfsmith club ruler with the flange on the end...If I'm not mistaken you are supposed to set it so that the apex or center of the camber on the sole is centered...CORRECT?  That's how I got 36 inches.  Am I doing that right? 

[bcheeks]

dude...i got the chop saw from golfsmith...no F-in around in my workshop.

Still wondering why they did that?

If I'm correct, I have that Golfsmith club ruler with the flange on the end...If I'm not mistaken you are supposed to set it so that the apex or center of the camber on the sole is centered...CORRECT?  That's how I got 36 inches.  Am I doing that right? 

I have no idea how the golfsmith ruler works. If you're a half inch long then cut a half inch off. They are taper tips, not a big deal but I assume you know that since there is no f'ing around in your workshop.

[nobogeys59]

What do the rest of the irons measure that you ordered in the set?

[golfnerd317]

What do the rest of the irons measure that you ordered in the set?

PW - 36
9 - 36.25
8 - 36.75
7 - 37.25
6 - 37.75
5 - 38.25

[mr_divots]

PW - 36
9 - 36.25
8 - 36.75
7 - 37.25
6 - 37.75
5 - 38.25

That's how all my sets measure and I play +1/2 or +1/4 depending on the manufacturer. Did you order +1/2"? Because that's what you got as far as Mizuno specs go.

[Cwebb]

Most stock sets nowadays have the pw a 1/4" shorter than the 9i.  That's what you have in your set....and based off the other lengths that you listed, by my 'standard' I consider that a normal +1/4" over set.

[golfnerd317]

That's how all my sets measure and I play +1/2 or +1/4 depending on the manufacturer. Did you order +1/2"? Because that's what you got as far as Mizuno specs go.

Interesting...When I left my fitting, he checked with me and said we were going to go with 1* upright and standard length. So No I did not order them +1/4 or +1/2.

I checked the specs on the Mizzy website and the 52's and the 58's both start with a 35.5 pitching wedge. and go up a 1/2 from there.

I have this style ruler, and I've always set the center of the sole or camber so that it meets the flange and taken measurements from there. Am I doing that right?

[golfnerd317]

Most stock sets nowadays have the pw a 1/4" shorter than the 9i.  That's what you have in your set....and based off the other lengths that you listed, by my 'standard' I consider that a normal +1/4" over set.

CWebb...I didn't want a +1/4 over set.  Can I make the adjustments without messing with the frequency.  They are taper tips.  Also...please refer to my previous post.  I have the club ruler pictured.  I have always made sure that the center of the sole or camber was set against the adjustable flange and taken measurements from there.  Am I doing that right?

[Cwebb]

CWebb...I didn't want a +1/4 over set.  Can I make the adjustments without messing with the frequency.  They are taper tips.  Also...please refer to my previous post.  I have the club ruler pictured.  I have always made sure that the center of the sole or camber was set against the adjustable flange and taken measurements from there.  Am I doing that right?

Yes that's right.  With irons/wedges you can also you use the grooves as an extra visual reference when finding the center of the sole to touch the angle plate.  You want the grooves parallel with it.

I would just start with butt cutting them to the finished length that you want.  If you go a half inch shorter than the 9 with your pw, make sure that it's swingweight/moi stays high enough.  Most of the pw standard spec head weights are set for just a 1/4" shorter than the 9i.

For most grips, subtract about 1/8-3/16" from the finished length to account for the grip cap.

[ShaneNZ]

If you ordered certain specs for a new set I would take them back and get them to fix it !

[Indacup]

If you ordered certain specs for a new set I would take them back and get them to fix it !

I agree.

No reason for YOU to take on rework time and expense to correct something you are not responsible for.

OOC, did you try hitting these to see how they worked?

[golfnerd317]

Yes that's right.  With irons/wedges you can also you use the grooves as an extra visual reference when finding the center of the sole to touch the angle plate.  You want the grooves parallel with it.

I would just start with butt cutting them to the finished length that you want.  If you go a half inch shorter than the 9 with your pw, make sure that it's swingweight/moi stays high enough.  Most of the pw standard spec head weights are set for just a 1/4" shorter than the 9i.

For most grips, subtract about 1/8-3/16" from the finished length to account for the grip cap.

Thanks Cwebb...and thanks for noting that 1/4 inch difference on the Wedge

[prov1]

you also should realize that mizunos "standard" length on their irons are a forth inch shorter than say titleist. so if you were trading in you old irons of callaway, titleist, taylor made etc. the fitter may have set the lengths to your old irons.

[accufitgolf]

you also should realize that mizunos "standard" length on their irons are a forth inch shorter than say titleist. so if you were trading in you old irons of callaway, titleist, taylor made etc. the fitter may have set the lengths to your old irons.

If someone just "set" length (or any other spec) versus testing one for it, then I would not be calling that person a "fitter". At best, if they do this, I would call them a "guesser".

[mainuh]

If someone just "set" length (or any other spec) versus testing one for it, then I would not be calling that person a "fitter". At best, if they do this, I would call them a "guesser".

Hey John, now that you're retired how about spending a bit more time here dispensing a bit of that hard earned knowledge...? 
What better place to share the "war" stories of that 30hcp who thought he was a 2 and fought you every step of the way. 

rob

[accufitgolf]

Rob

A tough issue. The customer is not always right, but the customer is always the customer.

Stage 1: Early on in the business with bills to pay, no real customer base, and trying to prove yourself, you take on things and allow others to control you with their $$$$$$$.

Stage 2: If you get on in the business then the bills become easier to pay, your customer base expands, and you can now start to "fire" some of those customers. Especially the know nothing fools that argue with you and/or are not willing to pay fair value for something.

Steps 3: Now bills easy to pay. People search you out. You become known. All going well so now you can afford to fire those that come in to to challenge you/prove they know more then you, try to shop you down, etc. Especially those from golf forums. They are the real fun ones to fire.

Stage 4: The golf business follows the economy down the toilet. You go back to step #1 or if the time is right, you retire or change profession. A lot of good folks in this business have had to regress to #1.

I admit, I enjoyed firing a few customers over the years and step #4 retire time worked for me for which I am very thankful.......LOL

Summary

With a 30 that thinks he is a 2, then you have two choices. Fire him or dumb down, kiss his butt, and make the sale.

[bl8d]

Rob

A tough issue. The customer is not always right, but the customer is always the customer.

Stage 1: Early on in the business with bills to pay, no real customer base, and trying to prove yourself, you take on things and allow others to control you with their $$$$$$$.

Stage 2: If you get on in the business then the bills become easier to pay, your customer base expands, and you can now start to "fire" some of those customers. Especially the know nothing fools that argue with you and/or are not willing to pay fair value for something.

Steps 3: Now bills easy to pay. People search you out. You become known. All going well so now you can afford to fire those that come in to to challenge you/prove they know more then you, try to shop you down, etc. Especially those from golf forums. They are the real fun ones to fire.

Stage 4: The golf business follows the economy down the toilet. You go back to step #1 or if the time is right, you retire or change profession. A lot of good folks in this business have had to regress to #1.

I admit, I enjoyed firing a few customers over the years and step #4 retire time worked for me for which I am very thankful.......LOL

Summary

With a 30 that thinks he is a 2, then you have two choices. Fire him or dumb down, kiss his butt, and make the sale.

You described the small shop experience to a tee!
My buddy said the most difficult customers he got were golf forum guys who knew it all.

[golfnerd317]

Most stock sets nowadays have the pw a 1/4" shorter than the 9i.  That's what you have in your set....and based off the other lengths that you listed, by my 'standard' I consider that a normal +1/4" over set.

So can I just cut my PW to play at 35.75 and 9 iron at 36 and go from there?  I'm not going to mess with the frequency of my S300's am I ?

[nobogeys59]

So can I just cut my PW to play at 35.75 and 9 iron at 36 and go from there?  I'm not going to mess with the frequency of my S300's am I ?

It will be fine.

[mr_divots]

So can I just cut my PW to play at 35.75 and 9 iron at 36 and go from there?  I'm not going to mess with the frequency of my S300's am I ?

Nope. They are taper tip shafts and just lop off the butt end to length. The swingweight will get a touch lighter.

[Sillybodkins]

Interesting...When I left my fitting, he checked with me and said we were going to go with 1* upright and standard length. So No I did not order them +1/4 or +1/2.

I checked the specs on the Mizzy website and the 52's and the 58's both start with a 35.5 pitching wedge. and go up a 1/2 from there.

I have this style ruler, and I've always set the center of the sole or camber so that it meets the flange and taken measurements from there. Am I doing that right?

Better find a Mitchell measurement board and check out how they measure on that system.  they may be on spec, and you just happen to like your PW short.

[Divot Dan]

My bet is you were wearing you Frankenstein orthopedic shoes for the fitting.