McGwire - too little too late?

[yadadaiholla]

Jackie MacMullan did away with all of McGwire's nonsense the other day on Around The Horn. She (rightly) observed that if you track McGwire's statistics compared against McGwire's claims about when he started using steroids, he was clearly deriving benefit. The fact that he expects anybody to believe his claims otherwise are just craziness.

Woot, another around the horn viewer.   Your only the 3 other person i know that watches that show.    I love watching it and dvr it daily

I hate roids and am dissappointed in whats happened to baseball but id like to know how much they treally help players.   I dont know if i buy mcgwire needing them to hit hrs.  He hit 49 hrs as a rookie way back in 87.   I think the biggest change to baseball is now the sport is major league softball with those short porches in the majority of ball parks.   A routine flyball travels out of most of these parks.  I miss the days when baseball was about strategy and not who can hit the highest pop up

[Richard Nixon]

ATH and PTI are both great shows. ESPN has a good block from 5-6.

[SBR67]

I miss the days when baseball was about strategy and not who can hit the highest pop up

Same here. I love watching a good pitching duel and wish "small ball" was a bigger part of the game.

[mainuh]

I was watching Mike and Mike the other morning and they had Fay Vincent on. Fays reply about McGwire was spot on to what I was thinking watching McGwires  fest.

I cannot help thinking this Mark McGwire confession is a song I have heard before, and better done at that. Here we have another baseball cheater who finally tells us the truth after years of silence.

BTW - how the hell did his family come up with the McWire spelling ?

rob

[Jetlv25]

When was steroid use actually officially deemed illegal???  My guess is there were more of the big players using them than not using them at the time.  It's too bad the HOF is going to be all fracked up over this.  I say vote on their perfomance whether they used them or not in the 80's and 90's.

[NewJerichoMan]

I was watching Mike and Mike the other morning and they had Fay Vincent on. Fays reply about McGwire was spot on to what I was thinking watching McGwires  fest.

I cannot help thinking this Mark McGwire confession is a song I have heard before, and better done at that. Here we have another baseball cheater who finally tells us the truth after years of silence.

BTW - how the hell did his family come up with the McWire spelling ?

rob

Did Greenie or Golic ask Faye if he thought he was the most incompetent commissioner to ever rule baseball?  That's rhetorical since those two "nice guys" never utter a controversial statement.  Greenie is must more likely to talk about what men's beauty products he's currently using than utter something controversial.  

Faye was never respected because he didn't "earn" his job.  He got it because Bart died.  Plus, that funny looking goose egg on his egg will never won him friends and influence.  

Faye was around when the entire Boston crowd serenaded Jose Canseco's each at bat with chants of "ster-rrrroooiiidds".  That was the 1989 playoffs.  Did he do anything about it?  Nope.

The owners had been explicitly caught red-handed in collusion, several times, and to the tune of millions.  When the MLB union had severe trust issues during the labor talks, it ultimately led to several lockouts.  During the lockout of 1990, did Faye do anything to round up and oust the ringleaders (Selig and Reinsdorf) of the collusion and oust them from MLB?  Nope.  

Did he bungle the TV contract?  Yep.  

Faye's an incompetent idiot.  What McGwire did was wrong but he wasn't alone.  When he sat in front of congress and stated he wasn't here to "talk about the past", he wasn't alone either.  Selig showed up that day too.  Said he didn't realize steroids was a rampant problem in baseball.  Really?  Really?  People will always remember Palmeiro's emphatic denial and think he was the biggest liar that day.  Truth is, Selig was, and in spades.

Everyone knew there were steroids in baseball.  The owners may not have facilitated it but they openly condoned which is the same thing.  The owners needed it just as much, if not more, than the baseball players.  After the '94 lockout, MLB was low on the food chain in terms of TV viewership and attendance.  That little home run derby that McGwire and Sosa staged back in the summer of '98 brought baseball back.  

Big Mac deserves scorn but not the lion's share.  That should easily go toward ownership and scumbags like Bud Selig.  

Later,
David

[yadadaiholla]

NJM your post is long so i wont quote but you just earned major moojo.  its so funny how much blame is being laid on the ball players from that era.  is there a shit load of cheaters, yes.  did the teams not actually know their players that they tie up millions for many years werent on steroids, aboposilutley Frack NO.   the teams knew in a dont ask dont tell kind of way.  how could the teams really be super ignorant when there are employees of the team either peddling steroids or connected to steroid dealers.   hell barry freaking bonds trainer who was a key link to balco and had calenders and all sorts of steroid paraphalia was going in and out of the giants dug out with free reign.  there is no plausible way that the team had no idea players were on steroids.   with all this knowledge 99.9% of the blame that gets placed on teh steriod era goes towards the players and anybody who set records.  blah blah blah, media get off your high Fracking and start going after the teams and the "commisioner" for allowing steroids to become so prevelant.   its time to start going after the organizations for turning a blind eye and ruining a once great game and turning it into major league softball.   hell during the mitchell investigation there was a report of boston red sox gm theo epstein talking about a player who he knew was on steroids, yeah the teams were victims of players duping them for money

[yadadaiholla]

ATH and PTI are both great shows. ESPN has a good block from 5-6.

PTI sucks, i hate kornheiser.  he needs to try watching the thing hes supposed to talk about instead of american karoake.  wilbon is one of the best, nice to see a fellow pay attention to teams, players, and sports that arent only your big market and espn hype teams.

[mainuh]

Jeez Dave, tell me how you really feel 


rob 

[rockford35]

PTI sucks, i hate kornheiser.  he needs to try watching the thing hes supposed to talk about instead of american karoake. 

Truer words have never been uttered. That show and that man are the biggest wastes of space. I would rather ram a cheese grater up my colon than listen to ANY of that horse feces utterance.

R35

[yadadaiholla]

Truer words have never been uttered. That show and that man are the biggest wastes of space. I would rather ram a cheese grater up my colon than listen to ANY of that horse feces utterance.

R35