FlightScope brings accuracy, affordability to launch monitor market

[NewJerichoMan]

It's March 4th Frank.  How's the new LM???   

Later,
David

[Desmond]

Does Flightscope have an interface to the computer that can interact with another program to suggest clubs/shafts, etc.

Just checking for my retail guy down the street.

[KARLSTAD]

Well have to say lucky you who living over there:have got some answer about KUDU over here..
Becuse of the HUGE difference in price,,so I thought,,well some import should be god to do...
But a unit in for the USA market will not be used  legally in Europe...my guess it`s something whit the electromagnetic stuff to do...perhaps the USA made unit disturb some electromagnetic fields over here..

[camster8]

It's March 4th Frank.  How's the new LM???   

Later,
David

Hi David,

Still enroute...  Should be here anyday.  Now, when it gets unboxed will be another story. .  It's going in my new 500 square foot addition which has been delayed because of weather.  Imagine that, bad weather in NE....

[camster8]

It's here!

[chtw]

I got a chance to see Flightscope up against Trackman and I have to say that, for the money, Flightscope is a great deal if you can't afford a Trackman.  Trackman is superior, but the cost is astronomical in comparison.

[rp]

I just got through demo'ing a Flight Scope Kudu and was extremely impressed. Their service was impeccable. I had a great experience and felt the numbers were extremely accurate. If you go to get fitted and the fitter is using Flight Scope, you should feel good about the numbers you are getting. I have never seen a trackman in use, but have seen every other one on the market and owned a couple of them and can tell you this is light years ahead of everything I have personally used.

RP

[sammymexcio]

With all this talk about trackman etc. Does anyone have any ideas how the Zelocity Pure Launch stacks up to this Flightscope unit. Any input would be welcome. Trackman seems to do the job, but what a price tag, it is sooooooo expensive. I cant see that it does more than the Zelocity, am I wrong.

[rp]

With all this talk about trackman etc. Does anyone have any ideas how the Zelocity Pure Launch stacks up to this Flightscope unit. Any input would be welcome. Trackman seems to do the job, but what a price tag, it is sooooooo expensive. I cant see that it does more than the Zelocity, am I wrong.

I am trying to set up a demo with Zelocity, but they have no units currently, which means they are selling them fast. So that is a good thing. The only negative I have heard about Zelocity users with the newer software is that it does not pick up wedge shots really well, but that was 1 guy out of about  15 I checked with, so take it for what it is worth.

[sammymexcio]

I have seen trackman on the tv, and noted its readouts. I cant see that it does anymore than Zelocity. Doplar radar is doplar radar. It is so accurate that even if the trackmans readers where 10 times more accurate, the difference would only be inches. Their software is nothing really special as far as I can see and I am having a hard time trying to understand the difference in price. The Kudu is getting rave reviews and as a 3 year old owner of the Zelocity, I realy cant see why the Trackman has been put on a pedestal. I hope the Kudu takes off along side the Zelocity and Trackman comes down to where it should be, the same price as the Zelocity and the Kudu.
This site is all about the everyday builder and any everday builders that can fork out 25,000 for Trackman, needs to share their secrets. Lets hope the Golf Chanel and the TV bigwigs showcase the smaller units soon and stop these profiteers from getting richer and the public realise that machines like the Zelocity and The Kudu are not poor mens versions of the Trackman. The Trackman is an x army piece of technology marketed as something special. I have been on all 3 and saw no noticable difference. Ok Now I have said it, hopefully the replies are not too harsh. 

[sleeper]

I am a golf coach, who recently witnessed one of my players taking a lesson from his teaching professional while using Trackman.  I've seen Trackman a number of times in use, but never in the teaching mode.  Does the Flightscope allow you to use similar teaching modes that are available in Trackman?? 

[rp]

I am a golf coach, who recently witnessed one of my players taking a lesson from his teaching professional while using Trackman.  I've seen Trackman a number of times in use, but never in the teaching mode.  Does the Flightscope allow you to use similar teaching modes that are available in Trackman?? 

I am pretty certain almost any current teaching software works in conjunction with the Flightscope KUDU.

[Captain Joesterio]

it looks like that is the case.

http://www.edhsport.com/htm/golf/teaching.php

[jacksonlui]

i believe the difference between the zelocity and trackman is that the trackman actually monitors the flight all the way till it lands, the zelocity only tracks it enough to get accurate launch conditions and extrapolate the rest.
for the most part, trackman is overkill imho if you just want to get fitted.

what does Kudu have over zelocity?  i'm not a fan of zelocity's warranty, they make it difficult for you to sell it without incurring some ridiculous ownership transfer fee.  if that wasn't the case, they would sell me.  i'd prefer to buy something i know i can sell.  that is one reason why i like accusport, the customer service is excellent, and they support you regardless of where you got the machine.

[camster8]

i believe the difference between the zelocity and trackman is that the trackman actually monitors the flight all the way till it lands, the zelocity only tracks it enough to get accurate launch conditions and extrapolate the rest.
for the most part, trackman is overkill imho if you just want to get fitted.

what does Kudu have over zelocity?  i'm not a fan of zelocity's warranty, they make it difficult for you to sell it without incurring some ridiculous ownership transfer fee.  if that wasn't the case, they would sell me.  i'd prefer to buy something i know i can sell.  that is one reason why i like accusport, the customer service is excellent, and they support you regardless of where you got the machine.

I found the spin numbers to be much more accurate with the Kudu.  That's why I bought it....

[BigLeftyinAZ]

Frank,Have you compared the vector to your Flightscope?I'd like to see how close or not close they are.

[camster8]

Frank,Have you compared the vector to your Flightscope?I'd like to see how close or not close they are.

I have.  That's why I decided to keep my Vector as well.  Numbers (backspin) were all within 2% of each other.  I use my Vector for Offsite fittings and leave my FlightScope set up in the Studio.  I love my Flightscope but it is not nearly as "portable" as one may think.  Setup has to be perfect in order to yield accurate numbers.  Undulating terrain and FlightScope setup is not a good combination...

[jacksonlui]

i realy like the vector and it's pricepoint.
all the kinks has been worked out with the vector pro and i've been using it with no issues what so ever.
the only thing that is annoying is that i have to move it sideways and up and down between the driver and irons because of the tee height.
i'm looking forward to their next software release.  Accusport's software is lagging compared to the competition,IMHO.

are there any really good forums where they talk about vector pro usage, tweaks, etc...

thanks
Jack

[BigLeftyinAZ]

what software are you using?I have 2.1. I need to send in to get the mic upgraded

[jacksonlui]

i have 2.1 as well.
it's good but not good enough.
you can't export AND import data.
adding new items and categories is a joke and you can't save it.
if you delete it by accident, you're SOL.
it's also very slow in windows xp.
there's a long list, they need to get better software engineers if they want to continue to compete.
Accusport had the market segment a while back but they have since lagged big time.
however, not to totally knock them...their system has been pretty accurate and overall easy to use.
there is an initial learning curve.

[BigLeftyinAZ]

yea, i noticed the slowness with xp.What operating system do you use?

[jacksonlui]

xp pro

the documenation is also poor.
there are so many features that requires trial and error and just messing with
i read the manual backwards and forwards and it just touches upon the basics
the reports are pretty useless if you don't know how to use it
i still don't know how to flag the shots that i want to plot, etc...
i'd also like to assign my own colors,sometimes the machine chooses colors that is hard to see.
i also want to input my x and y -axis.  when you have a shot grouping,let's say for a iron, it's hard to see.  you want to be able to zoom in and gain more detail.  this is important when you try 10 clubs and 10 shots each, the colors get all mixed up.
it'll be good if the software can provide some advice, for example...if your ballspeed is 125mph, there should be an optimize button to show you your goal.
i guess i can go on and on....and i know i'm just ranting...but overall it does what it's suppose to well.
just wished it had more bells and whistles...
the Kudu has got me looking and wondering whether i should sell the vector and get that one instead.

[camster8]

i realy like the vector and it's pricepoint.
all the kinks has been worked out with the vector pro and i've been using it with no issues what so ever.
the only thing that is annoying is that i have to move it sideways and up and down between the driver and irons because of the tee height.
i'm looking forward to their next software release.  Accusport's software is lagging compared to the competition,IMHO.

are there any really good forums where they talk about vector pro usage, tweaks, etc...

thanks
Jack

You really can't do much more with software based on the way Vector captures its image and calculates its data.  Vector is inexpensive for a reason.  If you seriously want to take your fitting to the next level, upgrade to a doppler system.  I did and I'm happy with the results...

[BigLeftyinAZ]

You really can't do much more with software based on the way Vector captures its image and calculates its data.  Vector is inexpensive for a reason.  If you seriously want to take your fitting to the next level, upgrade to a doppler system.  I did and I'm happy with the results...

Frank,you say both are just as accurate.Within 2%.What makes the doppler that much better if both calculates within 2%..

The 4 times I've hit on the flightscope,I didnt find the readings were any better then the vector.

Here are a few numbers I had on the two

Flight scope SS and BS ranges were 109-122 BS 164- 181. 80% were in the 115-119 range
Vector's range was 112-118 BS 166-176 80% were in the 113-116 range

I felt the vector numbers were more accurate.I have never reached 122 SS on any machine,let alone 120 mph.118 is  even rare for me.

[jacksonlui]

i disagree with camster
regardless of the method used to measure launch, backspin, side spin, and ball speed..the data is already there.
the software can put whatever wrapper around it to turn it into a marketable package.
i don't think the doppler will be anymore accurate than the vector when you're talking about indoor fitting.
 some say the images that it collects is not good enough, i think it is.  with a good averaging algorithm and accurate sampling rate, it's easy to determine launch and spin accurately.  granted the ss and angle of descent as well as peak is calculated, but who cares.  you just want to get the launch and spin right given a ballspeed, you also want to be able to compare two different heads, etc... 
with the high launch and low spin craze these days, you would want to max out carry.
Accusport just needs to write software that presents the data better and one that's more intuitive.
i can also argue that these doppler systems aren't accurate with measuring spin.