My over-the-freakin'-top move.

[DaDriver]

Okay...I'm setting in with my rethreaded swing...settled back to playing standard length clubs, and have actually had some time to practice a lot more than the begining of the year. So what's the problem. When I starting getting agressive I notice that I tend to get past parallel. When I do so I will likely shank my irons and/or push my woods/driver.

I remember hearing Nicky P. talk about being quick tempo'd and trying to  slow down. But he found that underpressure he always reverted back to his "normal" tempo so he quit trying to change it. I feel the same way about going past parallel, being agressive. Question is, should I try to remain more in control or should I learn to "not" get past parallel. Pushing the ball right and shanking drives me CRAZZZZZZZY!!!!!

Please help.

Dwayne

(Note: my new swing coach put in +1" length to get my swing flatter and better controll, but I really never was settled with that notion...Maybe he was right?)

[IMAGOLFER]

I shortened my swing up a lot last year and am now controlling the ball better than ever. Though I never swung past parallel I used to get right to parallel. I now swing about 15-20 degrees short of parallel and the control I have gotten out of this change is unbelievable. Im my opinion you should try to NEVER swing past parallel and even try to shorten up your swing so that you don't even quite reach parallel at the top. This will take some getting used to but, will pay off in the long run! You should work on swinging faster but NOT quicker if you want to swing aggressive. There is a difference. Keep the same tempo ALWAYS but if you feel you need to swing more aggressive then speed up the downswing NOT the rate at which you take the club back or transition from the top. The golf swing should take 2 full seconds to reach maximum swing speed. This is how Els, Singh, and Couples look to be swinging so slowly but generate very fast swing speeds. If you watch thier swings they take right around 2 seconds. Hope this helps. These are just things I have learned from teachers, books, professionals, ect...

[hoot29576]

if you fight a over the top move you should be hitting pulls.  Out a board to the right of the ball or put something there that will force you to swing from the inside and not hit it to the downswing,  the inside approach is the best tool in fixing a over the top move,  you would be surprised how quick it will change the way your swing feels.

[BigD]

DaDriver,

Are you hitting a lot of hosel rockets?  I have the same problem and I think I have narrowed it down to coming over the top.  It sucks big time.  I can be hitting it great all day and then, wham.  right off the hosel.  I think Hoots had the right idea though.

[Ringer]

I saw a thread awhile back, can't remember where, guys were using a shoe box as well and some were making their own inside approach out of PVC.

[DaDriver]

DaDriver,

Are you hitting a lot of hosel rockets?  I have the same problem and I think I have narrowed it down to coming over the top.  It sucks big time.  I can be hitting it great all day and then, wham.  right off the hosel.  I think Hoots had the right idea though.

Yeah, me too. I'd be sailing along...then all of a sudden, WHAM!--a rocket 40 yards right. Then I'd go for a couple of holes thinking I might do it again and get all screwed up doing all sorts of weird stuff.

But here's the thing. Since I originally posted this I went to work on with a board along my swinig patch and tried to really concentrate on what I was doing. I thought I must be taking it back on the too much inside but for the life of me I couldn't figure out why. I think I have a good swing foundation and understand how to execute it. It was just messin' with me. Finally I saw something. It wasn't my swing path or taking it back to straight and coming in steep or mis-alignment or even going past paralell....all the things I thought it could be. It was simply that sometimes when I really trying to gear up I'd cock my wrist too early and kind of flat, pullig them back behind me...and then on the down swing I'd instinctively try to straighten it out and CAST IT OVER.

Hey that's cool. I'm glad if finally figured it out. Now I have a new preshot routine and swing thought. Everything is working like a charm. I feel like a world beater.  [smiley=wink3.gif]

Thanks for your interest.

Dwayne

[BigD]

Great to hear!  There is no worse feeling than getting a case of them or playing a good round then pow!

[Chuck_Evans]

Dwayne,

Over the top is always created by the right shoulder moving outward form the top instead of downward on plane.  The tips about placing something just outside of the ball will work but you can also take two shafts, stick one inside of the other just enough to secure it, then sitck these in the ground and angle it so that the top is just above the right shoulder at address.  From the top YOUR job is swing down and keep the right shoulder under this shaft.

chuck

Okay...I'm setting in with my rethreaded swing...settled back to playing standard length clubs, and have actually had some time to practice a lot more than the begining of the year. So what's the problem. When I starting getting agressive I notice that I tend to get past parallel. When I do so I will likely shank my irons and/or push my woods/driver.

I remember hearing Nicky P. talk about being quick tempo'd and trying to  slow down. But he found that underpressure he always reverted back to his "normal" tempo so he quit trying to change it. I feel the same way about going past parallel, being agressive. Question is, should I try to remain more in control or should I learn to "not" get past parallel. Pushing the ball right and shanking drives me CRAZZZZZZZY!!!!!

Please help.

Dwayne

(Note: my new swing coach put in +1" length to get my swing flatter and better controll, but I really never was settled with that notion...Maybe he was right?)

[BlackjackNY]

Chuck,
 Where in relation to your body do you set the shafts? In front of you, to the right side, etc...

[Chuck_Evans]

You set the shafts on the same line as the ball - target line - and then angle them so that they lay - lightly - on the top of the right shoulder.  Be sure to leave enough room between the ball and base of the shaft so that you don't hit it with the club going back.

[DaDriver]

Dwayne,

Over the top is always created by the right shoulder moving outward form the top instead of downward on plane.  The tips about placing something just outside of the ball will work but you can also take two shafts, stick one inside of the other just enough to secure it, then sitck these in the ground and angle it so that the top is just above the right shoulder at address.  From the top YOUR job is swing down and keep the right shoulder under this shaft.

chuck

Okay...I'm setting in with my rethreaded swing...settled back to playing standard length clubs, and have actually had some time to practice a lot more than the begining of the year. So what's the problem. When I starting getting agressive I notice that I tend to get past parallel. When I do so I will likely shank my irons and/or push my woods/driver.

I remember hearing Nicky P. talk about being quick tempo'd and trying to  slow down. But he found that underpressure he always reverted back to his "normal" tempo so he quit trying to change it. I feel the same way about going past parallel, being agressive. Question is, should I try to remain more in control or should I learn to "not" get past parallel. Pushing the ball right and shanking drives me CRAZZZZZZZY!!!!!

Please help.

Dwayne

(Note: my new swing coach put in +1" length to get my swing flatter and better controll, but I really never was settled with that notion...Maybe he was right?)

Thanks, Chuck. I'll keep this in mind.

Since I saw my move of pulling the club head behind me with my hands I have not had many of those nasty things reappear. I now have a swing thought of keeping the club head on plane. It's working.

Dwayne