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« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2007, 01:54:15 PM »

It is possible that Michelle has a future career as an attorney.


My client didn't like, ummm, do anything wrong, you know? There's like a fine line between stabbing someone and performing, you know, surgery.
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« Reply #51 on: October 17, 2007, 07:42:02 AM »

Ledbetter, Price Go After the Parent Wie's


Good stuff. How long will Ledbetter last by criticizing the parents?

Will the Wie's contract a hit man?




Once the show, Michelle Wie, who turned 18 last Thursday, has become a sideshow. For one of golf's sadder, although far from resolved tales, look no further.

Wie, a Stanford University freshman, shot 79-79-77-71 at the Samsung World Championship in Palm Desert, Calif., last week. She finished 19th in the 20-player field, 36 strokes behind winner Lorena Ochoa. The next day, her agent, Greg Nared, resigned as the vice-president of golf for the William Morris Agency.

Nared was hired little more than a year ago, principally to work with Wie.

But it's all gone wrong for her this year, on the course, where her scoring average in eight LPGA Tour events was 76.7, and also off the course.

“After careful consideration for my future, I have resigned effective immediately,” Nared said in a statement.

Nared was the second manager to leave the agency after working with Wie. Former PGA Tour executive Ross Berlin had been hired by William Morris to work with Wie after she turned professional two years ago. Berlin didn't think she should have played two men's events late last year on the European and PGA Tours. She finished last in both tournaments. Her parents had taken her out of high school in Honolulu so she could play.

Before that, Wie had challenged for wins in the 2006 Kraft Nabisco, the LPGA Championship and the U.S. Women's Open – all major tournaments. She didn't win any, but she was confident and strong.

“If she hadn't played those [men's] tournaments, then everybody would have considered 2006 her best season yet,” Wie's swing coach, David Leadbetter, who had made his opinions known to her and her family, said Monday from his home in Orlando. “It was absolute madness for her to play them. That started the whole debacle. Now with Greg Nared leaving, you feel like this is the Titanic.”

Wie has also been dealing with injuries. She'd developed tendinitis in her right wrist. Then, in February, she broke her left wrist. She came back too early.

“First, the wrist hadn't healed properly and she'd done very little rehab,” Leadbetter said. “You don't come back and play so fast. The injury has to heal and then you have to rehab it. Then you have to get stronger. When you don't use your wrist, the forearms and upper body atrophy. After you get stronger, you have to hit balls and get competitive. Then you play. Michelle bypassed the whole process.”

Wie has come to that realization, but too late.

“The only thing I would do differently, I wouldn't have played this year,” she said last week. She admitted she didn't take her injuries seriously enough.

Three-time major champion Nick Price said this week he feels Wie also bypassed another process.

“Teenagers need to establish their characters and mature,” Price, who has three children, the eldest of whom is 16, said from his home in Hobe Sound, Fla. “As a golfer, you also should play the normal junior and amateur tournaments and then the LPGA. That's where Tiger's parents were so smart with him. The advice she's had from her parents or other people to keep playing PGA Tour tournaments has been very unsound.”

Wie is a wealthy young woman because of endorsements with Nike and Sony. For a time anyway, it seemed reasonable for her to play PGA Tour events. She had a dream, and she came close to making a PGA Tour cut when she was 14. But at some point, as Leadbetter said, her and her parents' approach became unrealistic.

“It's not even logical,” Leadbetter said. “I'm scared for her future.”

Leadbetter did say Wie's injuries have healed, with the help of Gray Cook, a Virginia-based strength, conditioning and functional movement specialist. Leadbetter watched Wie before the Samsung and was pleased with her swing.

“But I told her to keep her expectations low, and that she had to get her tournament nerves in shape,” Leadbetter said. “She'd hardly shot par in a round all year, and to suddenly play a tournament against the top 20 in the world?”

Wie has been taking a course at Stanford called introduction to humanities. Meanwhile, she's had quite an introduction to the cutthroat pro golf world. “Pretty traumatic,” she said. “Pretty epic, actually.”

Wie and her parents, who have rented a house near Stanford, where she lives in a dorm, need to move from epic to real. Wie needs a sane life, not an epic one. Only her parents, and, ultimately, Wie, can make that happen.

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« Reply #52 on: October 17, 2007, 10:58:47 AM »

The "Michelle Wie Saga" has so much potential to end badly that it's almost scary to watch. Taking a few shots at men's events when you're young is one thing. But now that she's become a "professional" and hasn't even beaten the women yet, how can she possibly expect to beat the men. Someone really needs to knock some sense into the Wie's.

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« Reply #53 on: October 17, 2007, 03:58:36 PM »

Thanks for posting that, SM.  What a sad and cautionary tale.  She played as well as anyone during a stretch from 2005 up to the British Open in 2006.  IIRC she hardly ever finished outside the top 10.  The only thing she didn't do was win.  She obviously has the talent to compete with the best on the LPGA.  We'll have to wait and see if she has the heart to right this ship.  Hopefully she and her parents will get a clue.
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« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2007, 07:19:10 AM »

Thanks for posting that, SM.  What a sad and cautionary tale.  She played as well as anyone during a stretch from 2005 up to the British Open in 2006.  IIRC she hardly ever finished outside the top 10.  The only thing she didn't do was win.  She obviously had the talent to compete with the best on the LPGA.  We'll have to wait and see if she has the heart to right this ship.  Hopefully she and her parents will get a clue.

I fixed that for you.

Now, that's how I feel about right now. I do think she will come back at some point in here life (maybe 5 years from now) where SHE wants to play and win, but right now?
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« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2007, 11:58:10 AM »

Good post SM................but I feel the drama may continue and she will get nearer the shores of never ever land unless she puts her future exclusively into the hands of someone that will look out for her intrests on every level.
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« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2007, 12:07:41 PM »

There's always The Big Break for her to fall back on.
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« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2007, 11:11:13 AM »

Looks like it's continuing to go downhill for her:
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MORE MICHELLE:
The question of whether Michelle Wie will play in the Sony Open in January is a complicated one and one without an answer at the moment.
 
Sony Open officials say they will announce their sponsor’s exemptions in November.
 
Meanwhile, Wie still represents Sony products. But she missed the cut there earlier this year by 14 shots. Casio World Open officials this week basically disinvited Wie to their November event, saying, according to one spokesman, “Basically, we have determined that she cannot play to her full potential because she has yet to recover from hand injuries suffered early in the season.”
 
Wie has made just one cut in 13 appearances on men’s national or international tours. She is currently in the first quarter of her freshman year at Stanford University. Classes for the second quarter begin Tuesday Jan. 8. The dates for the Sony Open (Jan. 10-13) are the same week.
 
The Wie camp has been silent about whether she wants to play in the Sony Open. But one highly-placed Hawaii golf official, when asked about Wie’s marketability to Sony said, “That stock has depreciated.”


Not looking too good for her these days.

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« Reply #58 on: November 02, 2007, 11:43:15 AM »

Looks like it's continuing to go downhill for her:
http://www.thegolfchannel.com/core.aspx?page=15100&select=24290&tid=DE527D8F-8042-47BB-96B4-C8859890F491
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The question of whether Michelle Wie will play in the Sony Open in January is a complicated one and one without an answer at the moment.
 
Sony Open officials say they will announce their sponsor’s exemptions in November.
 
Meanwhile, Wie still represents Sony products. But she missed the cut there earlier this year by 14 shots. Casio World Open officials this week basically disinvited Wie to their November event, saying, according to one spokesman, “Basically, we have determined that she cannot play to her full potential because she has yet to recover from hand injuries suffered early in the season.”
 
Wie has made just one cut in 13 appearances on men’s national or international tours. She is currently in the first quarter of her freshman year at Stanford University. Classes for the second quarter begin Tuesday Jan. 8. The dates for the Sony Open (Jan. 10-13) are the same week.
 
The Wie camp has been silent about whether she wants to play in the Sony Open. But one highly-placed Hawaii golf official, when asked about Wie’s marketability to Sony said, “That stock has depreciated.”


Not looking too good for her these days.

Dave


They should just give the exemption to Fujikawa unless he already has one after making the cut there last year.
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« Reply #59 on: November 02, 2007, 11:47:35 AM »

I'd rather see the corpse of Spuds MacKensie get the exemption than Wie
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« Reply #60 on: November 02, 2007, 11:50:16 AM »

I'd rather see the corpse of Spuds MacKensie get the exemption than Wie

What about Alex the Stroh's dog?

(Oops - that was over 20 years ago, he's obviously dead too, damn I am getting old, plus that beer sucked, wait - what was the question again.......)
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« Reply #61 on: November 02, 2007, 01:11:55 PM »

Give BJ Wie the exemption. He seems to think he knows what a professional golf swing should look like.  See what he can do out there. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #62 on: November 06, 2007, 11:43:05 AM »

Yikes! this girl will be great one day. At least I hope so, someone with  that much talent should not have been so screwed up by her handlers, dad included.  She would have had a better start to her LPGA career had she played with her peers and won some junior events and then played some college.  The biggest problem I have with Wie is she maintains she wants to play in mens events.  No way is that a good move.  Women should never play on the mens tour.   Whats the point, I promise you there will NEVER be a women that will be capable of competing week in and week out on the mens tour.  My sister played on LPGA for 10 years she had a win and struggled for three years and made a decent living the rest the time.  I got know many of those players and they are great golfers but they do not have a chance against the men.

I really do hope one day she plays on the ladies tour and focuses on that and has a great career.  She will be good for womens golf maybe not to the degree Tiger was good for golf but close.  She ruined any chance of being a fan favorite with her previous actions.
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« Reply #63 on: November 06, 2007, 01:50:01 PM »

My biggest point in all of this "playing against the men" crap is that Annika tried it and couldn't make the cut, much less compete. And she was unquestionably the best womens golfer in the world. By a long shot. And she couldn't make the cut. So what made a 14 year old girl think she could do what the best womens golfer in the world could not do? That is some serious arrogance, considering that she only had one significant amateur title.

Until you can regularly beat the women, stop trying to beat the men. These humiliating performances will only hurt her confidence for the future.

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« Reply #64 on: November 06, 2007, 02:22:31 PM »

Give BJ Wie the exemption. He seems to think he knows what a professional golf swing should look like.  See what he can do out there. Roll Eyes

He can finish last too.
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« Reply #65 on: December 20, 2007, 12:55:05 PM »

And more news:

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« Reply #66 on: December 20, 2007, 01:08:49 PM »


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Wie, who skidded badly through an embarrassing and injury-wracked 2007 season, will skip the spring semester at Stanford and play against the women in an attempt to resuscitate her once-limitless fortunes, her coach said Thursday.

Wow, it's starting already. Only her second semester at Stanford, and she's going to skip it. I knew this going to Stanford thing wouldn't last long. Anyone want to take bets on whether she'll finish in the next 10 years or not? I'm betting not.

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« Reply #67 on: December 20, 2007, 01:15:10 PM »

Only her second semester at Stanford, and she's going to skip it. I knew this going to Stanford thing wouldn't last long. Anyone want to take bets on whether she'll finish in the next 10 years or not? I'm betting not.


Even though there's no way she's going to make it through legitimately I'm tempted to take that action. Stanford is going to do everything in their power to get her a degree.

Michelle, do you remember we let you in? Good, there's an A in History.
Michelle, do you remember we let you skate on your classes? Good, there's an A in gym.
Michelle, can you read our newsletter and pleas for donations? Good, there's an A in Literature.
Michelle, can you write us a check? Good, there's a A in finance.

Straight A's. Here's your degree. Add another zero to that check please. That's a good girl.
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« Reply #68 on: December 20, 2007, 01:21:21 PM »


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Wie, who skidded badly through an embarrassing and injury-wracked 2007 season, will skip the spring semester at Stanford and play against the women in an attempt to resuscitate her once-limitless fortunes, her coach said Thursday.

Wow, it's starting already. Only her second semester at Stanford, and she's going to skip it. I knew this going to Stanford thing wouldn't last long. Anyone want to take bets on whether she'll finish in the next 10 years or not? I'm betting not.

Dave


Let's give her a chance with a 100% LPGA focus and secure a playing card for 2009 season.   Sponsor money talks.  If she can hold her own against her own, the next 5-10 years has a working plan in the golf world.  The world class lessons and footprints of Lorena Ochoa are there on the wall - what to do, how to do, and excel.  In fact, many golfers in the LPGA has a lot to learn from what Lorena did.  There will be more emulators of Lorena than of M. Wie and that takes a lot of pressure off of Michelle already with the downside of a bit stiffer competition.

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« Reply #69 on: December 20, 2007, 01:21:49 PM »

I am sure she has people working on an exemption for that Spring semester right now.
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« Reply #70 on: December 20, 2007, 01:24:53 PM »

I know what KenHoLiO would say about her game  shutup
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« Reply #71 on: December 20, 2007, 02:42:39 PM »

Am I out of line when all I could think of as a reply to this thread was "Who cares?"   laugh
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« Reply #72 on: December 20, 2007, 03:03:46 PM »

First thing that comes to mind for me is:  How is she gonna get into these tournaments against the women? Sponsors exemptions? Aren't those all dried up? If not, they should be close. Or is she going to try to qualify for the tournaments in Monday Qualifiers (I assume the LPGA does those just like the PGA)?
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« Reply #73 on: December 20, 2007, 04:02:12 PM »

I am no Michele Wie apologist, far from it, but if she is serious about getting back to playing golf, then good luck to her. She had better take this truly seriously as the public will give her this chance but no more. Any lame wrist excuses and she's done.
The question as to how she'll get into tournaments is a good one, but she is still Nike's girl, I'm sure they can find a way.
In any way it'll be interesting and burn up the media waves.
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« Reply #74 on: December 20, 2007, 06:54:12 PM »

All I can say is "Yeah!"

We get to talk about Michelle Wie all winter, spring, and summer.

This ought to get interesting.

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