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« Reply #250 on: July 19, 2008, 03:49:37 PM » |
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I know. With so much on the line, why don't they check that stuff right then, before the player leaves? How long does it take for the scorer to check to make sure the scorecard is signed and the scores are correct? A couple minutes maybe? What the hell are the scorers there for if they can't catch something like that before the player inadvertently DQs themselves? That's ridiculous.
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« Reply #251 on: July 19, 2008, 03:52:05 PM » |
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This is perfect for the Wie-zoids. Rather than Michelle having to go out, handle the pressure and beat the field they can spin this into a vast conspiracy that robbed her of a rightful victory.
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« Reply #252 on: July 19, 2008, 03:54:51 PM » |
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Hey All, ...which was almost nothing. She hit 300 yard drives (occasionally); so does Lorena. She won the US Amateur PubLinx; Morgan Pressel won the US Amateur and Yani Tseng BEAT Michelle the year after, and has won a major. She hasn't accomplished much of anything to warrant getting that much money; it was entirely based on HYPE. That's the problem we all have. Would we have turned down the money under the same circumstances? Of course not. But to say that she has EARNED that money is absurd. To say that she DESERVED that money is also absurd.
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Why is this so hard for you? The point is simple Nike decides where and on whom they spend their money! What is absurd is to think you have any say in it - unless you own Nike or shares in Nike - then yell at Nike. If Nike wants to spend money on hype as you call it they have every right to. They could have spent money on Pressel or Tseng they chose differently there is no law requiring players who recieve that kind of money to do anything other than the requirements of the contract. Is it fair that Michelle got that kind of money and not Morgan or Tseng? - in a capitalism based world where only money matters - YES - it absolutely is! It's all about return on investment - it's NOT about what player has earned it - it's about what player will bring me the biggest return on investment - there is absolutely no genuine concern for the players or the sport by a corporation like Nike. She earned it and because Nike thought so - she deserved it - it's just business. Do I think it's right No of course not - it's stupid of any corporation to spend that kind of money on a bet and it's wrong to exploit children - but I don't blame a 15 year old girl for it and I don't hold anything against her for doing what she did. I in fact believe that Nike doing what they did did Michelle a big disservice. I suspect she would have developed "normally" as a player had all that money not been offered - and be much further along in her career which I still believe will be very successful. -Ed- |
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« Reply #253 on: July 19, 2008, 03:55:52 PM » |
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she didnt shoot 67 until she signed her card, so it doesnt matter
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« Reply #254 on: July 19, 2008, 03:56:32 PM » |
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This is perfect for the Wie-zoids. Rather than Michelle having to go out, handle the pressure and beat the field they can spin this into a vast conspiracy that robbed her of a rightful victory.
The Wie-Tards are angry that she was robbed of her first rightful victory I like that  |
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« Reply #255 on: July 19, 2008, 03:56:55 PM » |
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They called her to come back and even chased her outside the tent, she then signed it and it was turned in. She said she didn't think it was a big deal If they did chase her and she signed card,why would she be DQ'd? |
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« Reply #256 on: July 19, 2008, 03:57:13 PM » |
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They called her to come back and even chased her outside the tent, she then signed it and it was turned in. She said she didn't think it was a big deal If that is the case, then why was she DQ'd? Was the card incorrect? It seems pretty silly of the LPGA to DQ her for what seems to be an correctable (corrected?) administrative item... |
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« Reply #257 on: July 19, 2008, 04:00:06 PM » |
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She left the tent without signing it, sorry it's a DQ, plain and simple
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Sue Witters, the LPGA's director of tournament competitions, disqualified Wie in a small office in an LPGA trailer at the golf course after asking her what had happened.
"She was like a little kid after you tell them there's no Santa Claus," Witters said.
Wie said that after she finished her round on Friday, she left the tent where players sign their scorecards and was chased down by some of the tournament volunteers working in the tent who pointed out she hadn't signed.
Wie returned to the tent and signed the card.
"I thought it would be OK," she said.
But Wie, according to Witters, had already walked outside the roped-off area around the tent. At that point, the mistake was final.
Witters said she and other tour officials didn't learn about the error from volunteers until well after Wie teed off Saturday. They let her finish the round, then took her to the office where she and her caddy, Tim Vickers, were informed of the ruling.
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« Reply #258 on: July 19, 2008, 04:01:47 PM » |
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guys there is a roped off section on where the scoring tents are located, they tried to catch her before she passed the ropes, they didnt get her in time, so thus she has left the field without signing her card.
its not there job to babysit her
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« Reply #259 on: July 19, 2008, 04:02:29 PM » |
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Unreal. Just when she was starting to play well......  |
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« Reply #260 on: July 19, 2008, 04:04:59 PM » |
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If that is the case, then why was she DQ'd? Was the card incorrect? It seems pretty silly of the LPGA to DQ her for what seems to be an correctable (corrected?) administrative item...
There is no gray area and it is not an administrative item. If you leave the scoring area without signing your card you're DQ'd. Period, case closed, it's all spelled out in detail in the rules and every golfer understands that. You don't have the option of coming back to sign later. It might be a dumb rule, but it's been on the books that way forever. There's no excuse for a professional golfer not knowing it. |
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« Reply #261 on: July 19, 2008, 04:09:43 PM » |
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There is no gray area and it is not an administrative item. If you leave the scoring area without signing your card you're DQ'd. Period, case closed, it's all spelled out in detail in the rules and every golfer understands that. You don't have the option of coming back to sign later. It might be a dumb rule, but it's been on the books that way forever. There's no excuse for a professional golfer not knowing it.
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« Reply #262 on: July 19, 2008, 04:21:33 PM » |
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There is no gray area and it is not an administrative item. If you leave the scoring area without signing your card you're DQ'd. Period, case closed, it's all spelled out in detail in the rules and every golfer understands that. You don't have the option of coming back to sign later. It might be a dumb rule, but it's been on the books that way forever. There's no excuse for a professional golfer not knowing it.
That's correct, a player is expected to stay at the scoring area inside the ropes or marked lines until he/she is finished signing the scorecard. Once you step outside of them ropes or marked boundries even just 3 feet outside, you're disqualified immediately. Harsh rule, yes. Gotta feel for Michelle as she seemed to turn her game back. |
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« Reply #263 on: July 19, 2008, 04:30:12 PM » |
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Another great decision by someone who has a woman's body but a child's mind and sensibilities. Arrested development at its best.
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« Reply #264 on: July 19, 2008, 04:31:29 PM » |
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That's correct, a player is expected to stay at the scoring area inside the ropes or marked lines until he/she is finished signing the scorecard. Once you step outside of them ropes or marked boundries even just 3 feet outside, you're disqualified immediately. Harsh rule, yes.
Fair enough... if them's the rules, them's the rules... ironically, I was just watching some of the coverage of today's round, and I think the commentators got a heads up, because as MW was playing 18, they were showing one of the other players signing their card and they commented that the players needed to take signing the card very seriously, because signing an incorrect one, or not signing would get them DQ'd... |
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« Reply #265 on: July 19, 2008, 05:33:16 PM » |
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As a tournament player, she should know better than to leave the scoring table without signing her card. However, I think the comment that the LPGA tournament director made is way out of line. To kick Wie while she was down after an unfortunate mistake is not something that a person in her position should be making. She could have easily stated that Wie took the news hard, as should be expected when you are in contention in a tournament, only to be DQ'd for something that had no effect on her performance on the golf course.
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« Reply #266 on: July 19, 2008, 06:36:25 PM » |
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Why is this so hard for you? The point is simple Nike decides where and on whom they spend their money! What is absurd is to think you have any say in it - unless you own Nike or shares in Nike - then yell at Nike. If Nike wants to spend money on hype as you call it they have every right to. They could have spent money on Pressel or Tseng they chose differently there is no law requiring players who recieve that kind of money to do anything other than the requirements of the contract. Is it fair that Michelle got that kind of money and not Morgan or Tseng? - in a capitalism based world where only money matters - YES - it absolutely is! It's all about return on investment - it's NOT about what player has earned it - it's about what player will bring me the biggest return on investment - there is absolutely no genuine concern for the players or the sport by a corporation like Nike. She earned it and because Nike thought so - she deserved it - it's just business. Do I think it's right No of course not - it's stupid of any corporation to spend that kind of money on a bet and it's wrong to exploit children - but I don't blame a 15 year old girl for it and I don't hold anything against her for doing what she did.
I in fact believe that Nike doing what they did did Michelle a big disservice. I suspect she would have developed "normally" as a player had all that money not been offered - and be much further along in her career which I still believe will be very successful.
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My point is that you say she EARNED it; I maintain that she has not done anything to EARN it, as players who have done more than her get less. For example, Tiger Woods has EARNED the endorsements that he has by virtue of winning lots of tournaments - 3 straight US Junior Ams, 3 straight US Ams, 14 majors, and however many tournaments. Only Michelle's HYPE has gotten her what she has. Nike can indeed do whatever the hell they want to do with their money. But to say that she EARNED that money is as big of a fallacy as saying that Tiger is not one of the greatest golfers of all time. Dave |
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« Reply #267 on: July 19, 2008, 06:40:07 PM » |
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There is no gray area and it is not an administrative item. If you leave the scoring area without signing your card you're DQ'd. Period, case closed, it's all spelled out in detail in the rules and every golfer understands that. You don't have the option of coming back to sign later. It might be a dumb rule, but it's been on the books that way forever. There's no excuse for a professional golfer not knowing it.
its located in the rule book right next to the proper procedure for taking a drop I believe its rule I d 1 0 T Yes, and we all know how much she likes reading the rules...  Dave |
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« Reply #268 on: July 19, 2008, 07:39:05 PM » |
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Geez this is sad. She obviously hasn't grasped it all yet, but also all this signing of cards, on all professional tours, seems outdated with all the coverage that exists. Sorry it went this way.
Wasn't it a couple of years ago at the British that the leader, or next to leader, got disqualified because he and Sergio were given the wrong cards and so they signed the wrong one? Must have been another darn volunteer.
How's a guy supposed to cheat today when every shot is seen by a referee, a crowd and a TV audience, it's tough today. Guess that's why coughing in the back swing is the only way to go.
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« Reply #269 on: July 19, 2008, 07:46:44 PM » |
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Well fellas. I just got home a while ago from the tournament, where we followed Wie and Kim around all day. Regardless of whether she deserved her previous Nike endorsements or not, she was playing well enough to win this tournament easily. I was planning on going back tomorrow but if Wie isnt playing theres really no sense. Kim was pretty fun to watch but not worth driving another hour and a half for. Disappointingly enough nobody at the tournament knew that she was actually DQ'ed until afterwards. And we were on the bus with some of the volunteers, who were pretty late themselves, and Ill just say some of them were a little sketchy. But oh well.
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« Reply #270 on: July 19, 2008, 07:47:32 PM » |
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Geez this is sad. She obviously hasn't grasped it all yet, but also all this signing of cards, on all professional tours, seems outdated with all the coverage that exists. Sorry it went this way.
Wasn't it a couple of years ago at the British that the leader, or next to leader, got disqualified because he and Sergio were given the wrong cards and so they signed the wrong one? Must have been another darn volunteer.
How's a guy supposed to cheat today when every shot is seen by a referee, a crowd and a TV audience, it's tough today. Guess that's why coughing in the back swing is the only way to go.
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« Reply #271 on: July 19, 2008, 07:51:37 PM » |
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"She was like a little kid after you tell them there's no Santa Claus," Witters said. I get the sense that "Team Wie" has P.O.'d people at all levels of the LPGA, from top down. Pretty over the top statement from a Tournament official, but perhaps very telling.  |
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« Reply #272 on: July 19, 2008, 07:58:50 PM » |
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I think MW is viewed as a cheater just like VJ was for a long time (and still is by many).
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« Reply #273 on: July 19, 2008, 08:03:11 PM » |
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Stupid rule, especially if she signed the damned thing - my god, she stood outside the roped off area before returning to sign the card! - and very poorly handled by the LPGA. Don't let her play Saturday if the infraction happens Friday. That's just idiotic.
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« Reply #274 on: July 19, 2008, 08:04:21 PM » |
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Stupid rule, especially if she signed the damned thing - my god, she stood outside the roped off area before returning to sign the card! - and very poorly handled by the LPGA. Don't let her play Saturday if the infraction happens Friday. That's just idiotic.
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